A commentator on this site has said in response to a blog post on the news story that HMRC have found millions of people have both underpaid and overpaid tax:
This raises a real moral dilemma, which is why I visited this site today. The crux of the TJN is that taxpayers often get too literal with the Tax Code and abuse the spirit of it by emphasising the letter of it. Here we now have HMRC saying we have made an error, but the letter of the law allows us to claw it back. So - should HMRC stick with the spirit (”we give you a code and you just pay up and relax”) or the letter of the law (”we reserve the right‚Ķ”). And if the letter of the law is good enough for HMRC, why is it not good enough for taxpayers who contribute to the tax gap through legal means of tax planning?
Let’s unpack this.
First, using the logic noted those owed refunds would not get them. I can’t see any way they would be happy about this. And I can’t see justice is one thing for taxpayers and another for the government, so straight away those arguing they do not owe tax have a problem — of withstanding the wrath of those to whom they will deny repayments HM Revenue & Customs intends to now pay, and rightly so.
Second, let’s be quite clear about what PAYE is. It’s a payment on account of tax liabilities. It is not now, has never been,. and never will be a method for assessing the right amount of tax that a taxpayer owes. It cannot be because a) not all income data will be known during the course of a tax year b) not all circumstances are known during the course of a tax year c) not all data can be processed during a year and d) it’s just not able to handle some situations very well — like people with multiple jobs.
PAYE is nonetheless an extraordinarily efficient way of a) collecting tax from people as they earn so that they do not, in most cases have to estimate this tax liability themselves b) keeping the government funded without recourse to borrowing c) ensuring most people, most of the time pay most of what they owe with few surprises resulting.
I make this point with good reason. The PAYE system collects most income tax and national insurance owing (the total was about £135bn income tax and £95 billion NIC in 2009-10, not all through PAYE — but largely so) and in this context the errors are small. That is not to dismiss them — but to get them in proportion is appropriate. Few governments could do the job as well as this!
But that being said — let me reiterate — PAYE is not a tax assessment system — it is a system for making tax payments on account. That's all. The obligation to make sure the right tax is paid is the taxpayer’s and the taxpayer’s alone. Any taxpayer can if they wish, or if they are in doubt as to whether they have paid the right amount of tax do a tax return, on line, and if submitted on time HMRC will always do the tax calculations on he basis of the tax return and confirm whether any additional tax is owing, or not. This is the only legal way for a taxpayer to ensure that the right sum of tax is owing — and it is their duty to declare completely and absolutely accurately all sources of income and all claims they have. If not penalty is due. And rightly so. The law would have been broken.
PAYE does not remove that obligation.
And let me be candid — almost all those who now have tax liability will know, or should know, they have such liability. That is because the vast majority will relate to the non-processing of company car data. If a person got their notice of coding from HMRC, had a company car, and saw they were not being taxed on it. Of course it may have been another benefit. And they’d have known they got it, because their employer has to give them a copy of form P11D sent to HM Revenue & Customs. And despite seeing that their code was not being adjusted for the benefit they got they took no action to correct the situation by submitting a tax return, which they could have done. candidly, I suspect a great many hoped they’d get away without paying the tax. And now they won’t.
Nor should they.
The Revenue made an admin error — and I will argue forever that HMRC is at fault for cutting staff when it need not have done, so causing this problem. But that’s all they did. The taxpayer in these cases made the legal error of omission. To excuse them tax now when they have knowingly not paid tax would be wholly unjust — to all who have paid their tax, for a start.
So HMRC have not made the legal error. The taxpayer has.
HMRC is not abusing the tax code. It is properly, albeit belatedly enforcing it.
And that’s just what we should expect them to do. Tax is not due on a whim. Tax compliance is easy to identify and should be upheld. Tax compliance is seeking to pay the right amount of tax (but no more) in the right place at the right time where right means that the economic substance of the transactions undertaken coincides with the place and form in which they are reported for taxation purposes. In this case the taxpayer has not done then when they could have done by submitting a tax return which they chose not to do.
So there is no moral dilemma here.
And let's also be clear — tax planning does not contribute to the tax gap. Tax avoidance and tax evasion and unpaid tax does. They’re the abuses iof the law. To not collect this tax would be an abuse of the law. To not collect would increase the tax gap. And that we cannot afford — and there’s no reason why we should afford it.
So I have only one concluding remark — that HM Revenue & Customs need to provide time to pay this tax. That’s fair. But collect it they must.
And there’s absolutely no question that the spirit of the law says otherwise. The spirit of the law is not a misreading of the law. The spirit of the law upholds the law — and to waive this tax would be against the spirit of the law.
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There is actually more overpaid PAYE than underpaid PAYE.
Can we have a source please for the statement that most of the tax lost is due to the provision of company cars.
@Alan Barnes
Press comment – presumably HMRC led
Another point is that some people will have paid accountants / tax advisors to help them keep on top of those things. We check codes and we get them fixed if they are wrong either way (partly because clients get really pissed off if they get surprise tax liabilities later) and we charge fees for this work. Why should those who have paid to keep themselves right be effectively penalised in favour of the feckless who just hope for the best?
Those of us working in this area could see this coming several months ago. It’s not news!
@James from Durham
But the Taxpayer’s Alliance and their friends in the Torygraph who are opposed to all taxes, all public services and much of government itself couldn’t possibly consider such a sensible, free market option, could they? It suits them to argue this is a scandal and the BBC are daft enough to buy it as if they’re objective and even credible observers – when they are neither
@James from Durham
James, so what you are telling me is that this is a regular failing that has increased in frequency in recent times. I’m not sure that makes it OK.
I don’t get the feckless bit: I give HMRC the info required and settled the tax bill in full and on time. The matter is closed to everyones satisfaction until HMRC get a new computer. According to the BBC “A new computer system introduced by HMRC in 2009 has allowed more discrepancies to be identified…Discrepancies arise when the amounts deducted in tax and National Insurance by employers using the PAYE system do not match the information held on HMRC records. This most often occurs when individuals change jobs, have more than one job at the same time, or because employers are using the wrong tax code.”
This doesn’t sound like evasion, advoidance deception or fecklessness. What am I misssing?
I think you give the TPA too much credit by implying that they hold a consistent, principled position. From what I’ve seen, if the public service is something they personally value (such as motorways), they’re more than happy to turn their back on the privately operated model in favour of the subsidised state operated option.
@Gary Taylor
You did not submit a tax return
If you had you would have a case for saying there had been official error
Without it your argument does not hold water
Sorry – but that’s the way it it, has been, and probably always will be
You did have the option of doing so, after all – and the Revenue did advertise that you could do so
I realise you are annoyed – but the Revenue are entirely within their rights
@Richard Murphy
*I* am not making a case for for official error – I am quoting evidence from the BBC.
If we are to keep the debate on track here we need to address the evidence:
1)Taxpayers seem to have provided the required information, and seem to have paid in full and on time
2)Taxpayers have reasonably considered the matter closed
3)HMRC have made errors that have been highlighted by the introduction of a new system
4) HMRC want to reopen the case
5) HMRC are legally within their rights to do that
There is at the very least the possibility that by reopening a case that has been closed, they have – despite being consistent with the letter of the law – skirting with the spirit of it. Tax payers have not been feckless, evasive, irresponsible or illegal. They have met their obligations as they reasonably understand them. They have in the moral sense at least delivered their end of the bargain.
*If* that is the case (and that was the prospect I was raising) then it *DOES* make it difficult for HMRC/TJN etc to complain about Taxpayers who also take a very literal approach.
Seperately, being a little less bold or presumptious about others peoples circumstances might show real leadership in improving the quality of comments you desire. I have submitted a tax return as it happens and I don’t yet think I am personally involved. I am not annoyed, but I do think their is an important moral issue that must be explored if we are to legitimately go on from here to talk about the ‘spirit’ of the tax laws.
@Gary Taylor
The BBC is not HMRC – they’re journalists
And the reality is people have not paid in full
And HMRC are not reopening cases – they’ve never been closed and that is their right
And no that does not mean I have a problem with what I propose – I argue that tax payers must seek to pay the right amount of tax (but no more) in the right place at the right time where right means that the economic substance of the transactions undertaken coincides with the place and form in which they are reported for taxation purposes.
Tax has not been paid in the right amount – and that’s why is is now due
End of debate