I note Jacob Rees Mogg is terribly upset by Mark Carney and said so at the Treasury Select Committee. As someone with whom Jacob has taken issue on the same committee I have to say that I suspect Mark Carney is about as indifferent to the mauling as I was.
Let me add though that just as Jacob tried to maul me with out of date tax precedents so too did he try to maul Mark Carney with inappropriate facts. First he claimed that the Bank of England is independent. No it is not: Section 19 of the Bank of England Act of 1998 (and I am quoting from memory) makes clear where the real power lies in the relationship between the Bank and Treasury by giving the latter a power of veto. Mark Carney wisely notes that in his actions: he realises his real cope for action is remarkably limited and it is a charade when it is pretended otherwise.
Second, no doubt, Jacob relies on Magna Carta as his precedent. Clause 13 of that document, which Jacob seems to have elevated to what he thinks is its true status, makes clear that the King must at all times recall the ancient rights of The City of London when taxing (which was the King's main economic function at the time). I am sure Jacob believe this gives Mark Carney a superior right that Mr Carney, however, wisely ignores in an era of democracy and subsequent legislation.
Jacob might fulminate but he is wrong, often. This was just another such occasion. My message is keep re-doing your prep Jacob; one day you may get it right and make nanny very happy.
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Richard,
Young Master Mogg couldn’t put his socks without assistance.
His frequent use of arcane legal precedent and archaic language makes me think he is the Ying to BoJo’s Yang. One appears to have a character one needs one.
Indeed, his father was an arse and he’s carried on that legacy with aplomb, a man who is best ignored!
It’s nanny job pull to up young master Mogg’s socks.
Jacob Rees-Mogg………….words fail me.
I thought that Mogg’s comments to Carney were totally undemocratic. This man obviously believes that he is in the ‘natural party’ of Government and not accountable to anyone.
Carney was right to give his answer as he did. To say that BREXIT would have no impact (good or bad) at all would have been wrong. Carney called it right.
There was no ‘speculation’ – all I see is a reasonable mulling over of risks that any proper manager would see as things that may need managing and we have to be prepared.
Mogg is a prime example of what happens when upward mobility is held back and dominant established and entrenched rich families rule the roost so that the gene pool of brains gets smaller and less able. Result: Decline and chaos with a plummy posh English accent.
I remember seeing Jacob Rees-Mogg debating at the Oxford Union when I was a student at Oxford 25 years ago. He was pompous and ineffectual back then… nothing’s changed since.
“Nothing’s changed then”.
He has been elected to Parliament. He represents NE Somerset.
Is that ‘nothing’ to you?
Most public sector workers above a certain level have to keep their political opinions to themselves.
I can only contribute here under a pseudonym, something Richard has kindly permitted.
As I understand it, Mark Carney technically is not a civil servant and therefore not subject to the Civil Service Code, including the impartiality obligations. But it’s a technicality. He hasn’t brought credit on himself.
Rees-Mogg is still pompous and ineffectual, no matter who he’s representing! If you are actually Jacob Rees-Mogg posting under a pseudonym then please accept my apologies. 🙂
Rees Mogg is deliberately holding back wider awareness of the consequences of BREXIT when a sizeable number of the public have rightly stated that they do not think they know enough to vote on such an important issue.
The only person abusing any power or position is Mogg because he purposefully and under the glare of the cameras portrayed a rational exploration of the risks by someone who actually has to manage a part of the economy (rather than pretend to manage as most modern politicians do) as unwelcome.
He is also a member of a Government whose policies have harmed people.
Believe you me, being made fun of is the least that he and his odious colleagues deserve.
We have a superb tradition in this country of using satire and sending up people in power who either are mean or just aren’t very good and whom we want to get rid of.
Would you rather we all fix bayonets and shed blood?
Whatever Rees-Mogg’s political views on Brexit may be, I am certain that he is more interested in the financial interests for himself and his business investments when he decided to back the Brexit campaign (as I am fairly certain most other wealthy Tories did).
So other people’s losses don’t matter at all, just as long as he and his friends are quids in at the end of the day. It’s always been that way with his sort though, so don’t expect too much!
http://somersetcm.com/
Perhaps it’s as well to remember that, rather incongruously, the family fortune is based on the smutty business of coal mining in the long forgotten Somerset coalfields!
And carrying on the tradition Jacob is very keen on fracking.
This is Master Mogg’s latest promulgation (I use that word because he would like it) on our latest constitutional crisis….is the Queen a Brexiter?
‘One of the great things about the Queen is that we all believe that she is on our side regardless of which side we are on and that’s actually quite the right position for a constitutional monarch,’ he said. ‘I like to think she’s a Brexiter”
Who the hell voted for this poltroon?
‘One of the great things about the Queen is that we all believe that she is on our side regardless of which side we are on and that’s actually quite the right position for a constitutional monarch,’
Yet another good reason to replace constitutional monarchy if the Head of State means nothing, says nothing and does nothing that anyone can actually put their finger on and vote for!
Poor old Jacob does have some positive attributes though – he is one of the many fine examples in public life of the need for a thorough overhaul of the inheritance tax system and all other inherited financial privileges!
Rees-Mogg and his fellow Brexiteers are clearly quite rumbled by Carney and what they have called his ‘partisan’ comments. It’s a shame, then, Richard, you made the thoroughly unedifying and bitter remarks about the nanny. Your point was quite strong and valid enough without that last puerile addition.
Have you ever tried a sense of humour?
Yes, and it appears you haven’t. He has clearly rattled you but it really isn’t necessary to be so vicious; because that’s what it is, not funny, just bitter.
I think the appropriate response to that is in the vein of the original comment
Diddums
I must say, your ability not to feel embarrassed by yourself is as amusing as it is astounding. Perhaps you’ll feel a little silly in the morning, though I doubt it.
It’s morning
I don’t feel silly
As expected
On a more serious note, Rees-Mogg has no problem in breaching the parliamentary rules when it is in his own financial interests.
Hypocrisy is a personality trait far too prevalent in some politicians!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/tory-backbench-mp-jacob-rees-mogg-failed-to-declare-interests-9923362.html
“bitter remarks about the nanny”; “puerile addition”; “vicious”????!!!!
Good grief, Mr Appleseed, you sound like one of the objects of Jane Austen’s refined satire – one of those prissy old maids, who fears even to say the word ” skirts”, but mouths it, “sotto voce”, to her bemused listener.
I have to say that if you DO want ” puerile and vicious”, you could try a Prime Minister who, instead of answering the reasonable and pointed question posed to him by the Leader of the Opposition, tells him to “wear a suit and pull his tie up”.
But then, such is the mastery of political oratory and dialectic imbibed by the members of the ruling class in the centres of educational and other privilege known as public schools, to which class both these “illustrious” sprogs – Mr C and Mr R-M – belong. And in both cases they’re clearly unused to serfs answering back, and so seem almost on the point of bursting into tears.
For goodness sake, Mr A, please acquire a little discernment! One really wonders how you would fare in the cut and thrust of real political struggle and debate if you class reference to Rees-Mogg’s recourse to his nanny as “vicious”.
In an earlier post, I said that whenever I saw Mr J-M, I was inescapably forced to the conclusion that he looked as though he had mislaid his teddy bear. Presumably you think I am a candidate for a new Nuremberg Trial for expressing such a “vicious” opinion?
These are dangerous times Andrew D. As you and others have indicated extracting the urine at every opportunity is so embedded into the various national psyches of these islands that it is not only considered a national pastime equivalent to breathing in and out it is often used as a judgement upon any one individual (regardless of what clues their name may give) as to whether or not they are really culturally part of the societies which make up British Isles.
With anti-immigration and cultural thought police, from certain news media through to political groups like the EDL, ED, BF etc, becoming more prominent it has to be acknowledged and due credit given that it is a brave, if not foolhardy, soul who signals so strongly an inclination so at odds with such a well recognised national and cultural trait.
That joke about ‘Nanny’ has been used by others including Andrew Neil in the man’s presence and has become standard in relation to the Mogg’s of this world. It’s appropriate to use as it conjures up a bizarre social class divorced from the lived reality of most of the world. I could cope with the nobless oblige of bygone Tories but the present lot have neither nobless nor oblige.
I’m surprised nanny has survived for 50 years in the Rees-Mogg household without being put on a zero hours contract or replaced with in-sourced labour from overseas!
Just goes to show that “one rule for us and another for everyone else” is still alive and well in some domestic quarters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-34317549
Meanwhile in the real world, the “nanny-less” Tory state and its outsourced private for-profit care providers are only willing to provide 15 minutes slots by overworked carers on zero hour contracts to look after the generation that ensured we all survived as a non-fascist country and protected our “way of life” and “British values”.
It is shocking, shameful and yet the Tories are still getting away with it. Their lies and deceit surely cannot survive any longer because eventually the truth has to win out – or we are all dammed forever.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/10/zero-hours-elderly-care-cuts-outsourcing
“Their lies and deceit surely cannot survive”
I’m (depressingly) not so sure. Some of the cruellest and most clearly vindictive and illogical (New ‘work-related-group’ ESA claimants) with little more than a murmur. Labour should have been breathing fire but indulged in more sloppy ineffectual mutterings. It’s now a grass roots matter.
You’re right Simon, there are some public battles that Labour should be having and the fight over Tory cuts to social care, disabled welfare and benefit sanctions should be top of their agenda as virtually nobody with any sense of morality can argue that these changes are in any way progressive.
The relative silence is deafening!
The problem at the heart of that silence and ineffectiveness is that those who could be spending energy, time and resources providing an effective counter narrative and real opposition are having to expend too much of that time, energy and resources watching their backs and trying to counter the shameful shenanigans of the legacy Thatcherite tendancy who would rather consign us all to permanent neo liberalism, neo conservatism and neo feudalism than allow their faith to be usurped.
Aligning yourself with Tory policies and a media commentariat that howl like banshees at those in the Party wanting to ditch the empty and failed doctrines embraced by their guru, never missing an opportunity to signal to that media their disdain for that alternative narrative and approach should by rights see those from the cult expelled from any other serious political party. The fact that the media and the Westminster establishments give so much time to the members of this vanity project tells you all you need to know about their motives and real allegiances.
As he took his nanny with him electioneering it seems entirely appropriate.
For Rees-Mogg the early twentieth century tax precedents are right up to date. At least he wasn’t quoting from a first century Holy Book, and there is plenty of tax and welfare advice in that one which people still claim is bang on.
I just read this in yesterday’s Morning Star – an article on wined and dined bankers and other fat cats donors to the tory party:
Dominic Johnson
Runs the Somerset Capital investment management firm with Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg.
What is an out of date precedent? That’s an oxymoron!
On a slightly different subject, the tory battle bus was very visible in the south West to oust the lib dems. Seems the channel 4 investigation into thanet south is gaining steam and the tories could be in big trouble with the electoral commission. So will this result in rerunning any fraudulent election wins?
I have no idea
But it feels like there was total contempt for democracy there
I think wherever that happened by-elections are needed
It’s far worse than benefit cheating, after all
Expenses scandal 2.0 – Torygate!
By-Election re-runs across the country
Criminal prosecutions
Loss of parliamentary majority
Vote of no confidence
Cancel the EU Referendum
2016 General Election
Left wing coalition government
UK moving in a new direction
Sounds like a great film story – if only it could be!
(Oh hang on, I’d better wake up, this is after all the country of establishment cover-ups!)
Well the Mirror says the Tory Roadtrip battle bus was active in my constituency which went from Lib Dem to Tory last year.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-mps-broke-election-laws-7467576
And the new Tory MP says the bus was never here!
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/14315211.Election__overspend__claim_denied_by_Chippenham_MP/
So who do we believe, and will there be a full independent enquiry?