Some claim modern monetary theory (MMT) proves that tax doesn't matter. They're wrong. Tax is not about funding government spending—it's about controlling inflation, creating demand for currency, and sustaining democracy. In this video, I explain why without tax, MMT collapses.
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Some people say that modern monetary theory (MMT) proves that tax does not matter. Let's be blunt about this. They could not be more wrong.
Without tax, modern monetary theory doesn't work. So whenever you hear someone say, "Oh, it doesn't matter, we can always create more money in a modern monetary theory world," those people are talking complete and utter nonsense and know nothing of any value about what MMT has to say.
So let's discuss this in greater depth. The critics who say to me that tax does not matter always put it this way: they say "Government can create money, so tax is irrelevant because the government doesn't need to collect it to pay for what it's doing."
And they're right. The government does not need to collect tax to pay for what it's going to do, because, as I've said on this channel many times before, and will probably say again, every single pound spent by the UK government is made for it on the day that the payment is settled by the Bank of England, and that happens through a process of the Bank of England simply extending the government's overdraft with it. That's how all money is made when a bank lends to a person, and by definition, the government borrows from the Bank of England every single day.
So, in a very simplistic way, those who say that tax isn't needed because it doesn't fund government services are right.
But that utterly ignores the reality of the role that tax does play in an economy, and most particularly in a modern monetary theory economy, which is what we are living in - let me make it clear - because what I've just said about money creation by the government is what actually happens day in, day out now. You are living in a world where MMT is taking place. Don't presume it's some fictional world that one day we might adopt. We're already there.
So tax matters. And as a consequence, tax avoidance matters. And tax evasion matters. And let's discuss why.
First of all, let's reiterate it: all spending is funded by the Bank of England. But that doesn't mean to say the government can spend without limit. The truth is, there are very real limits on how much the government can spend, and that's the reason why Stephanie Kelton, in her book, 'The Deficit Myth', refers to inflation more than 250 times.
And the risk is that if the government ignores the reality that there are only limited resources available in any economy, or there are only limited number of skilled people available in any economy, and tries to spend in a way that denies those facts, therefore trying to buy resources that aren't available to them, they will create inflation.
So, a responsible government in a modern monetary theory world will always seek to balance the equation between its spending and the availability of real resources so that full employment is delivered, and sustainability with regard to other resources is created, and that's what responsible government is all about.
What then is the role of tax in this world, where so far we haven't mentioned it as a constraint on what the government can do?
Well, the fact is that by demanding that people pay their tax bills in the currency that the government creates, the government does, in turn, create a demand for that currency. After all, if people haven't got the money that the government creates, then they won't be able to pay their tax bills. And as a consequence, what the government does is force the money that it creates into use in the country for which it is responsible.
Now, there are countries where this is not the case. I went to Lebanon a while ago. And if you go there, you'll discover that although there is a Lebanese dollar, it's a bit of a joke. Nobody uses it. The US dollar is used by everyone. The Lebanese government has no control of its own national economy as a consequence, and that is plain for anyone to see.
If a government is going to have control of its economy, then it must have control of its currency, and it must use its own currency, a point that many Scottish independence politicians still don't seem to understand, but which is fundamental to every single independent country in the world.
What this means is that if the currency created by the government is in use, then the government has the opportunity to take macroeconomic control of the country, which it is responsible for, by setting a fiscal balance that it desires, a rate of stimulus that it wants, or a rate of retraction if it thinks that the economy is overheating, that it wants, and an interest rate that it wants.
It is in the driving seat, and it is tax that creates this concept of fiscal balance. Tax takes out of circulation the money that the government has spent into circulation. That is its absolutely fundamental key role inside a modern monetary theory economy, and I repeat the point, you are living in one now.
This is what tax actually does inside the UK economy.
Every day, the government creates new money with the Bank of England.
And every day, the government taxes, and takes the vast majority of that money out of circulation again. And not just out of circulation, it actually destroys it.
There isn't any recycling of that money because tax is paid in settlement of a debt, and when the debt is paid, the money disappears. And that's true of all money in relationship with all banks where debts are involved, whether that be with the central bank in this case, or with a commercial bank, if you borrow from them. A debt repayment is the end of money. It's cancelled, it's gone, it's disappeared, and forever.
We are dependent, therefore, on this continual cycle of new money creation and new money destruction and tax is fundamental to this process. I cannot stress that enough. This is the most important role of tax inside an economy, and it stops the money supply running away with itself as a consequence of government spending, and the consequence is that tax controls inflation.
What that means is that spending and tax are two sides of the same coin. You can't have government spending without taxation, but not for the reasons that most people think.
And just think about it for a moment. Tax could never have come first. How could people have paid tax if the government hadn't created the currency in which to pay it? It would, of course, have been impossible. There would've been no money to settle the liability. In fact, if the government hadn't created money in the first place, people wouldn't even have known what the money was that the government was asking them to make repayment in. So the government must have made money first. It's a simple, straightforward, logical statement of fact that is unavoidable and absolutely definitely correct.
But once we liberate tax from this role of having to fund government, and that's what this argument does, and we instead put it in the role of controlling inflation, we also let it take on other fundamental roles within the economy.
It redistributes income and wealth, and it does that quite well if we let it do so. And I stress that word 'if' in that last sentence because we must let it do so.
Tax market failures on things like carbon, tobacco and so on, where we reprice those things so that they are increased in price to correct for the externalities they impose upon our economy by creating ill health, pollution and so on.
Tax also helps a government manage economic cycles by letting it manage surpluses and deficits. And we can see that when the government runs a deficit, it provides a fiscal stimulus. When it reduces the deficit, it withdraws money from the economy to slow that economy down. This is a fundamental tool of economic management, although tax itself does not directly create that consequence.
And finally, let's be clear about it: tax makes democratic choice real because different parties offer different tax choices to electors when they come to the time when a ballot box is involved in their lives, and the consequence is democracy is enlivened by tax.
There are enormous risks if we ignore tax as a consequence.
Inflation gets out of control.
The government loses macroeconomic control of the economy.
Other policies that are dependent upon tax for their delivery may not work.
The public loses trust in money and democracy.
And the result is that without tax, our economy would self-destruct.
And this is, in fact, the clearest possible message from modern monetary theory, which is not delivered by any other form of economic thought. This is the most advanced form of thinking about tax that exists. It's not a backwards step. This is a fundamental understanding that most of neoliberal economics simply hasn't got.
Tax, then, is essential to modern monetary theory. It's not optional. But its role is fundamentally different to the neoliberal and neo-Keynesian view. They say that tax funds spending, but that cannot be true for reasons I've just demonstrated.
It cancels inflation because spending and taxation are inseparable, and without tax, MMT cannot deliver on its promises. With tax any economy that understands MMT can provide the tools for social progress. That is its promise, and that is what it will deliver.
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Thanks. I’ve been reading your blog long enough to follow this, but there are a few terms I am unfamiliar with.
Would you do a short simpler version (video) for sharing with people we know? It would help me to share it verbally too.
Have you considered doing ‘shorts’ on YouTube? I see for example short clips from Robert Reich’s videos popping up in my feed. They generally cover one point, but they are a bit like an appetiser, so you are curious and want more.
Great stuff. I’ve read enough to follow this, but there are some unfamiliar terms.
Would you please make a short video for sharing? This would also help me speak about this.
Have you considered YouTube shorts? I see them pop up in my feed from example Robert Reich; they usually cover one point, and arouse curiosity.
We are starting doing that, next month. We have not succeeded with it, so far.
Just watched Zack Polanski on Sky’s Trevor Phillips program.
He seems to have listened to you.
Maybe….
This cannot be said enough. Neo-libs talk of ‘equilibrium’ – MMT and Tax is the REAL equilibrium.
I recently watched a video with Daniel Priestly where he claimed that it is unfair to increase taxes on the rich because the rich pay more tax in real terms per person. From my perspective it is obvious to see that what matters is the percentage tax, do you think this misunderstanding is caused by a lack of knowledge that tax is used to control inflation? e.g. if you pay a lower percentage of tax than someone else you are contributing less to controlling inflation.
I am not sure any of linkages you suggest make sense. You might need to read my book The Joy of Tax.
Great learning you have provided there Richard. Could I ask, MMT as you say is already the case, government does already issue new money etc. Why then do governments “borrow”, and who from and why if governments can create new money is there fear of the wealthy leaving with their wealth, if they are taxed more?
There is a narrative in conventional economics that somehow the people and the state are beholden to “the market forces”, but MMT understanding says it’s the other way round, governments don’t have to be.
Can you read the link I sent and then come back to me?
Thanks Richard, this first question I sent looked like it hadn’t submitted correctly, so sent the other one instead. I will definitely read Money for nothing, it was on my list as I’m working my way through you Joy of Tax at moment. Thanks for replying
Thanks!
As you say, this is absolutely fundamental to the proper understanding of money. It’s absence is the primary straw man deployed by everyone (regardless of political stripe) who wishes to dismiss an MMT lens on economics.
Great stuff. I’ve read enough if your output to follow this, though some terms were unfamiliar.
Would you please make a shorter version for sharing? It would also be useful for concise conversations.
YouTube feeds me ‘shorts’ from people whose output I have watched; these usually cover one point can arouse curiosity to see the video they came from. Might you consider putting up some clips to increase your reach?
We are starting a programme on this very soon – with a new team member looking at how we can deliver these.
A very interesting and illuminating article, thank you. I shall bookmark it and read it again as I have been trying to get my head around the “tax doesn’t fund spending, it acts to destroy money and defray inflationary pressure” argument for some time.
As an aside, though, when you say:
“If a government is going to have control of its economy, then it must have control of its currency, and it must use its own currency, a point that many Scottish independence politicians still don’t seem to understand, but which is fundamental to every single independent country in the world.”
are you saying, as you seem to be, that if we take the example of two countries – Finland, New Zealand – that I consider a model for the successful independent Scotland I wish to see, that only NZ (NZ$) can have control of its economy, and that Finland (€) can’t?
I’d be interested in hearing more about that.
No country without its own country can really control its economy, especially in meltdown. Look at Greece. And Ireland in 2009.
Okay, so government spending does not come from nor is dependent on taxes right? So when government creates and issues new money is that borrowed? Why do we keep hearing government borrowing going up?
Can I suggest reading this? https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Money-for-nothing-and-my-Tweets-for-free.pdf
I always liked the interview you’d like to do.
Since then some of the “repurchased debt’ had been sold back. But the rest is true.
Not seen much of Andrew Verity lately.
I am not sure I follow your first line…
the chapter where you imagine an interview and tell the interviewer the questions don’t make sense.
I like that chapter.
Great video. Very clearly put. The comments on youtube give me hope that people will one day view MMT just as “common sense”. That world is possible. We are not there yet, and I am not sure how exactly we get there, but I can envision it.
Thank you.
I never cease to be surprised by how positive a great deal of the commentary on YouTube is. I am aware that there are trolls, and bots, but overall something like 98% of all our reactions and comments are positive.
“And just think about it for a moment. Tax could never have come first. How could people have paid tax if the government hadn’t created the currency in which to pay it? It would, of course, have been impossible. There would’ve been no money to settle the liability. In fact, if the government hadn’t created money in the first place, people wouldn’t even have known what the money was that the government was asking them to make repayment in. So the government must have made money first. It’s a simple, straightforward, logical statement of fact that is unavoidable and absolutely definitely correct.”
Excellent. If I talk about this with friends, which admittedly isn’t that often, this is exactly the argument I make. Maybe it speaks to the company I keep, but it tends to stump them! It can’t be said enough.
Thanks.
Could you help me here? According to Statista, UK GDP rose from 450£bn in 1948 to 2,500£bn in 2023. Is it correct to say that this had to be funded by an increase in £Sterling into the economy which could only come from the Bank of England, and not from taxation, ‘borrowing’ or indeed from any other source?
But if this is so, does this not make a nonsense of the assertion by Thatcher et al that the government has no money of its own?
This had to be funded by government money creation – hence more debt.
I’m not quite clear on this. If the increase in sterling was achieved by increasing debt, that would have incurred by borrowing. But with only of the order of 450£bn in existence in 1948 how could borrowing from that figure increase it?
The debt is between the BoE and Treasury, and us a promise to pay. That’s it. The government can create promises to pay at will.