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Sums up the situation concisely. If politicians don’t take notice of what is really a no-brainer with the planetary destruction of ever-increasing economic growth, we are doomed. The forthcoming elections are a chance to vote for parties who can prevent the ecocide that is destroying us.
Much more important than the Windsors loss
I’ve just finished Jason Hickel’s book ” Less is More ” —How degrowth will save the world
Excellent addition to the narrative ( apart from the 3 page money section )
If these diseases do indeed come from animals and have developed to be infectious to humans, then humans will get them eventually anyway.
I do not agree
That is your choice. But the reality is, infections do pass from one organism to another.
Unless humans and any animal, humans interact with, are kept completely isolated from these animals, eventually, one human will get infected.
You can choose to disagree. You can choose to do so curtly, (as you did). But you are wrong and I am right.
I’m not denying your demand to protect the natural environment. But those of us living in the relative security and comfort of the west find it all too easy to tell some desperate farmer in say, Madagascar, that scratch and burn farming is killing a bunch of monkeys, when his family are hungry.
Even more, the guilt trip approach, favoured by so many modern ‘naturalists’, from Attenborough to you good self, seeking to blame ordinary people in the ‘West’ is equally non-sensical.
I have never cut down a tree, killed a monkey, built a power station. I don’t drive (since I retired) and never take foreign holidays. I would love to use green energy, buy my food in green containers and recycle everything. It just isn’t available.
Your suggestion of voting for a politician who supports a green agenda, (or words to that effect), imply political naivety.
Take a look at Scotland right now where they are electing a new Parliament. Suddenly, the Torys are promising everything from trees to road sweepers. (Plus a five hundred quid hand out for everyone!). They promise what they know they won’t have to deliver.
I apologise if I am being rude. You clearly believe yourself deserving of rather more respect than you give. But our planet is dying. Our environment is filthy. People are going hungry. While the likes to Attenborough and your good self, rake it in, talking crap.
OK, so you agree our planet is dying
I propose ways to address this, like the green new deal
And Monbiot has other approaches
You say they are crap, but you propose nothing
So what are you saying, apart from that I am wrong?
Should we just sit back and die? Is that your suggestion?
Bill Hughes commented above:
“The forthcoming elections are a chance to vote for parties who can prevent the ecocide that is destroying us.”
O how I wish that was the case.
I did not propose nothing. I put forward a number of suggestions, yet you closed your mind.
It isn’t about you. Or me. Or even the Planet. It’s about people trying to survive.
The problem is, this isn’t a grassroots issue. No matter how much I might wish to save the environment, and I do very much, there is almost nothing I can do.
Example. I live in Portsmouth. A small island with connecting mainland conurbations. It has been pretty built up for at least the last few hundred years.
About 30 odd years ago, central government decided it was necessary to spread housing across the country, into what it identified as ‘Brown Belt’. Areas where previous industrial activity has waned and before it has been allowed to return to natural habitat. Note the return. The Earth is kinda magic that way, don’t you think?
The claim was homes are needed for the increasing population. This is actually a lie. But the reality is a bit too complicated to go into in any depth here.
A large mental hospital in Portsmouth was due for closure. Local people had already started using the grounds and woods, to walk around, take their dogs, even a few ponys.
Then the local council stepped in. Showed plans to develop the whole area with thousands of new homes. Tiny boxes, mostly detached, with a tiny garage and a hard standing for the family car.
Local people objected. The council went away. It returned claiming that housing was needed. Either people agree with the existing plans or the council would go ahead with building 50 (I think that was the number), high rise apartment developments. Each with under ground garages and so on. It called another vote. Either we accept the existing or we get high rise. Not difficult to see how we voted.
This is all in public records and has happened in towns and citys all over the country. With each new home comes one or two, even three extra cars.
As a side, note that the UK has been through several Tory and Labour governments. Portsmouth has a long tradition of Liberal city government and one of our MPs, until recently, was Liberal. Politics doesn’t really work that well. Politics doesn’t work when every group is basically the same.
I’m suggesting to put away your pulpit. The people have already been converted. We don’t need any more guilt trips, warning us how bad things are.
Especially that ridiculous mantra, ‘It May Already Be Too Late’. It isn’t too late. The Earth will recover.
What is needed now are solutions.
Where are people going to live?
Where is the food going to be produced?
Covid has been a gift for almost every politician.
Trump and his types have used it to blame the Chinese.
Just about every political type, has constructed a scenario where Covid is cause by not listening to them. (Remember the Torys in Scotland!)
In the UK and many other countrys, it’s become an excuse to control the news. (Believe me, if people knew even half of the reality, there would be public panic! If I get Covid, I prefer to die.).
Mr Johnson is seen, all over the world as a buffoon, a hypocrite and a joke. Basically because that is exactly what he is, except no-one in the UK is aware of it, it seems. Have a look at the daily front pages to see why. Currently, the press is too busy promoting the 7 days of morning over the death of one very old man, after the minutes silence we were all supposed to have over the deaths of 125,000 people from Covid! So, either you look at papers from last week, or wait a couple of weeks for the current hoohaa to die down. But Johnson is a necessity so the real experts can get on with saving lives. Eventually, I suspect, he will be sacrificed, blamed from everything and retire.
And now the Greens jump on the Covid bandwagon, claiming that Covid and even worse diseases are because no-one is listening to them.
Rubbish. Covid was an enviable consequence of the biological nature of disease. No conspiracy. No hidden agenda. No cover-ups, (apart from seeking to limit public panic!).
Throughout history, diseases have come and gone. They used to be called plagues. And political types blamed this group, or that behaviour. Invariably an opportunity to increase its own power.
You want a Green solution. Start looking for one and get off the Covid bandwagon.
Sorry
I have done one
It’s called the Green New Deal
And as you say you have no alternative follow up will be deleted unless you really have something to say
I have given you alternatives. But you refuse to listen.
Please do delete me. I will find that both amusing and affirming.
I read no alternatives
You said you had none