This come from the Times Red Box email this morning (which despite its source I recommend, and it is free):
That's too close to call.
But what is astonishing is the confidence data.
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Worrying, given “The Truth” newspaper and its mates, the Mail and the Express, have barely got going with their propaganda.
Interesting, seems like the British bulldogs are still sticking two paws up to the Eurocrats.
I await to see if there will be some last minute offers from the EU to try to move the doubters towards the Remain camp.
It does seem that Jeremy Corbyn is getting traction with the electorate.
And still many weeks to go, Richard, with local elections and the Scots and Welsh assemblies in between. They may have some bearing on the eventual outcome. Interesting that Obama is more trusted on the referendum than any of our home grown “talent”. Then again, perhaps people see him as neutral – as in not part of our politics. Worrying that Johnson’s star is also in the accent. Personally, I’ve never understood how so many people are taken in by such an obviously fake chancer so full of his own self importance.
Equally worrying that Obama is ‘on top’ as he’s pushing TTIP like crazy which his his way of getting America’s low welfare chicken industry all over Europe.
Yes, those poll results on opinions trusted are amazing. Yet in a way not surprising. Can’t recall if you have offered your views on in or out?
In
I dud that a while ago
Will repeat soon
I’m afraid the Obama condescending ‘intervention’ only firmed my resolve to vote ‘out’-he came across like a dodgy second hand car salesman and should have been heckled.
Yes, Obama’s intervention seemed totally beyond the pale. While I am a Brit living outside the UK (Southern Oregon) I still have the right to vote in this referendum. I haven’t made up my mind and am finding it very difficult to come to a clear decision. Several good British friends are clear about wanting the UK to leave, citing the terrible financial outlook for a number of EU countries, and I’m leaning that way.
Richard is one person whose opinion I would trust in stark contrast to the others listed in that chart above!
Can’t see the style, stodgy or otherwise, as significant myself. As for the fuss re his “intervention” – not referred to directly, here – I’d be astonished if we didn’t want to hear what the leader of this great “historic ally” had to say. We all make our judgments on the content of what he said, and on the nature of this ally, of course.
Too right astonishing- IDS and Johnson way too high up.
It is a true wonder that so few people appear to see through the latter, and that the former is anywhere near politics in the first place. May’s position is at least unsurprising; the idea that she will become Tory leader is almost as laughable as the idea that Javid is a ‘rising star’… but hey if it happens good luck to them they’ll need it.
Ah, when I saw the name Johnson I immediately thought of Alan, not Alexander
Paul
Can I just point out that the state of the EU is a result of an American financial system that remains out of control?
The EU economy was not a basket case until rampant and stupid deregulation of its financial sector by the American government enabled it to become one – and by the way – many other economies around the world (Asia) are also in the doldrums as a result. This is a global crisis now – and it is not just the EU zone that is in trouble.
The EU is not responsible for its economic woes really, as neither is China or Brazil etc. They all continue to suffer now from a lack of demand and I say again this was an American produced global crisis.
If we left the EU, we would essentially be moving from a smaller pool of trouble to oceans of trouble and potential danger. The grass is not greener on the other side Paul; it’s just as bad if not worse outside of the EU zone. There is danger everywhere as everyone fails to recover from a Yankee induced economic crisis.
The ECB was never set up to deal with a crisis like this; it’s chief role was to curb inflation really which historically was the cause of much trouble in Europe previously. To me, it had succeeded until the American sub-prime loan crisis – totally self-induced – but then – because of global finance – other countries got infected.
I too am ambivalent about the EU because I am worried about corporate capture of this institution along the lines of North American capitalism.
But I reconcile myself by thinking that now is not the time to leave. We would literally be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
What complicates matters is that we have a corporation friendly Government in power who will not challenge the growing influence of vested corporate interests in the upper echelons of the EU.
But it would be better to be in the EU and try and fight through that than to let the Americans in through the back door which is exactly what people like Boris Johnson, Oliver Letwin, France Maude will do.
BTW – an apology. I know that my banging on about ‘yanks’ may come across as me using the divisive language and ideas that have widely been condemned on this blog but I honestly believe that the Americans have got away with one of the biggest financial crimes in the history of the world. And there is no justice to be had on this issue so it seems.
As for Obama – as I said he made my skin crawl when I watched him. Was he telling us to stay in order to get us to leave? Goodness knows what his briefing from people like Larry Summers, Timothy Geithner, Citibank, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and the Pentagon consisted of. Because these people were and responsible for 2008 crash and subsequent crisis.
America is a rogue state like no other. It thrives on destruction and war as it seeks to swallow up the GDP of other nations as it exhaust that within its own borders. The Yanks are coming. It is as simple as that.
PSR, Your apology not required, and me living here in Oregon doesn’t in any way put me at odds with what you expressed; far from it. Thank you.
‘The Yanks are coming. It is as simple as that.’
This should be in the past tense. It’s too late to see the EU as some sort of bulwark against what has already taken place.
Look who is CEO of the NHS: http://www.england.nhs.uk/about/whos-who/ formerly of United health Care, one of the providers of the Obamacare that they are now pulling out of leaving half a million people in the lurch: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/11/19/unitedhealth-group-earnings-downgrade-obamacare-affordable-care-act/76040322/
The EU is as much part of this as anywhere else.
I advise you to watch this documentary on the Troika if you still have delusions about ‘better together (‘together’ FFS): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLB3uu1IXM0
Simon
Me – ‘deluded’? No. I’ve never been deluded about anything in my life thank you. I’m a natural sceptic. It might be my Scottish heritage on my father’s side and the Irish side of my mother. I have an in-built bullshit detecting device and you have activated it.
As I’ve said, I’m not happy with the EU as it is but to leave NOW is not a good idea.
And although I can see your point about the Americans already being here, what I am railing against is the fact that they are now ‘on their way’ big time. North American capitalism has got worse and as a result its forcing its way into our lives even meaner and greedier than ever before.
But also, lets test you and your BREXIT friends more obvious delusions and look at some of testicular material you and your fellow BREXI-FOOLS peddle as facts:
1) The ‘sovereignty argument’ – Total rubbish. We can still print our own money (we just have a Government who doesn’t want to – but more on that later)
which is the ultimate and most powerful form of sovereignty we can have. So what are we getting back when we talk of ‘re-gaining’ sovereignty?
The sovereign right to issue the bedroom tax? The benefit cap? Cuts in disabled support? The selling off of public assets?
Sorry – but it seems to me that our sovereignty is still there to be abused by a bunch of neo-lib rich kids just fine thanks.
They can even use their sovereignty NOT to do things – like print money or PQE.
Basically we had a treaty and we’ve been complaining and breaking it ever since. Aaah.
2) ‘The EU’s economic doldrums threaten to drag us down – the EU is the threat’.
Tosh.
The biggest threat comes from WITHIN Simon – Tory and New Labour politicians who will do anything to get in bed with the Yanks to enable them to get our assets at our expense. This is the same lot who handed over our sea air and rescue service to a Yank company. Nice little earner for the Yanks.
And of course whilst the BREXI-T**TS like Boris and Kate Howey bang on about sovereignty they still don’t mind Yank and even other EU companies buying and owning our assets like our railways and other infrastructure. You can’t beat a good bit of old English hypocrisy can you Simon?
Our present predicament was caused by criminal acts of omission and commission by the Government of the USA for which it has not made accountable.
That is a fact.
The arguments for leaving are just plain weak. There is no evidence that I can see that any of Britain’s woes are caused by the EU.
The arguments for staying may be an act of faith.
But without certainty I choose faith and I think that you should too.
I tend to your view PSR
Interesting in the sharp divergence between online and phone sampling…..with over a month to go, meaningless otherwise.
Perhaps some of the anwers are here. Soros is a major player here and sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.
http://www.greanvillepost.com/2016/04/24/why-obama-opposes-brexit/
Some more background reading here.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-always-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/
Interesting
I vote in & I wouldn’t care if we were £10,000 pa worse off each.
It is often forgotten that the British people, when polled, have consistently voted for re-introducing capital punishment.
When they have polled white, indigenous Britons, they have consistently voted for forced repatriation.
We don’t need the EU for economic advancement. We need it for basic civilising of an otherwise barbaric culture.
Eriugenus
You have just put your finger on a huge benefit that the EU has delivered since its inception – thank you.
I agree with what you say about the UK – and those sorts of tendencies are to be found all over Europe and in the EU. We have seen those tendencies raise their heads both in the UK and the European continent.
What the EU has done is somehow curb those tendencies because it has made the leaderships of the countries in the EU talk to each other – a lot. I’m sure that this has contributed to a peaceful Europe. Because by talking we create understanding and empathy.
Churchill (the darling of far too many right wingers) said something along the lines of ‘It is better to jaw-jaw than war-war’.
How true.
Are you reading Simon?
Add my thanks to those from PSR. Eriugenus, you have really opened my eyes (and my mind) on these aspects. Indeed, I think you have given me the clarity I was seeking: I shall vote to remain in.