Thanks for reading this post.
You can share this post on social media of your choice by clicking these icons:
You can subscribe to this blog's daily email here.
And if you would like to support this blog you can, here:
Thanks for reading this post.
You can share this post on social media of your choice by clicking these icons:
You can subscribe to this blog's daily email here.
And if you would like to support this blog you can, here:
Tax Research UK Blog is written by Richard Murphy unless otherwise stated and published by Tax Research LLP under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License.
Design by Andy Moyle
Raving Rabid Right being sucked up into one place.
It appears from here that a similar Venn diagram for the UK Labour party would have public sector workers and the benefit dependent inside the circle, but actual left wingers would be outside it.
Ni, I think it would be a scatter graph of circles
Perhaps an even larger surrounding circle for Theresa May – the new Erdogan of the UK or so she demands.
As for Labour. Lots of insecting circles with Jeremy at the centre in his own circle with varying proportions of overlap (New Labour like floating balloon trying to avoid Jeremy Corbyn circle with a large pointed arrow
I am not sure about Labour….
How do you demarcate between actual left wingers and the rest?
You need one for the Tories and Labour in Scotland. Two circles very largely overlapping.
The Tory spin and the media line is that the Tories were fighting the SNP, yet the SNP’s vote share went up from the last local elections. The Tory gains exactly match the Labour declines. Hard core unionist Orange Order types have abandoned Labour for the Tories. The problem the Tories have is that constituency, of hard core unionists is no more than 30% of the population. They are welcome to them.
Next IndyRef Yes will be fighting the Tories. Tories entrenched in Westminster being deeply nasty and Hard Core Brexiting. Tories running the No campaign, fronting it, in Scotland. SLAB won’t make that mistake twice, not even they are that stupid.
Last time we had the slightly cuddly FibDems keeping the Tories honest in the Coalition and on referendum day Milliband’s Labour had a 10 point lead over the Tories in the polls (yes, really). So the future did not bleak.
The future looks bleak now, especially from up here. The Tories are now suggesting that after Brexit when Farming and Fisheries powers come back from Brussels that they will be keeping them in Westminster. So Leavers here in Scotland will get no control back. A point I shall be putting to them on the doorsteps when we get started again. After the GE probably.
These are always a great way to make an obvious point. You should publish a book of them, or perhaps VDFOT.com is available! You don’t seem to categorise your posts any more so they aren’t easy to find, but I, like many others, love your VD!
Just search Venn diagrams
A darker version would have the Tories inside UKIP. After all, the Tories have shed most of their centre-Right, one-Nation policies and taken on all of UKIP’s BluKIP as other wags have now named them
You may well be right
What happened to real one-nation Tories?
Its not clear that there are any successors to the Ken Clarkes or Michael Heseltines. At least Thatcher had Willy Whitelaw as a close advisor, something of a one-nation Tory and a bit of a moderating influence (I’m not going to stretch that point…) I cant see that May has any moderating influences whatsover. The reverse if anything
Its why they feel so dangerous.
Agreed
One nation Tories? That’s going back a long time to the Thatcher clearout of the pejoratively named ‘wets’ (who were courageous people who stood up to the foul Harpie) -remember Francis Pym and Ian Gilmour.
Wiki on Gilmour:
“Gilmour did not have good relations with Thatcher. Thatcher remarked in her autobiography, somewhat sarcastically: “Ian remained at the Foreign Office for two years. Subsequently, he was to show me the same loyalty from the back-benches as he had in government.” [3] He survived a reshuffle in January 1981, but was sacked on 14 September 1981. He announced that the government was “steering full speed ahead for the rocks”, and said that he regretted not resigning beforehand.”
A year later Unemployment hit 3 Million.
Wet he may have been wet in the parlance of the day
But he had a conscience and could think
Find a Tory you can say that of now
Google ‘labour voters voting ukip’ and plenty comes up.
See here for example http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2017/04/shock-wales-yougov-poll-shows-labours-ukip-nightmare-coming-true
There seems to be something missing.
EDL
BNP
NF
Richard. Fascinating.
Many people thought a lot of UKIP voters came from previous Labour voters. Are you saying that these Labour voters were really Tories who had in the past voted tactically for the Labour but had switched to UKIP. Should there be another circle inside the UKIP one to show that some UKIP voters were previously tactically Labour voting Tories?
Thanks
These things are not literal
If it was the overlap would clearly not be complete
Sorry but I am a bit lost now. I have used Venn diagrams before and thought that they were about groups and overlaps. I thought your diagram was to show that all UKIP voters were Tories but not all Tories were UKIP voters.
So I can’t see where the Labour voters are. Not the Labour ones who still voted Labour but those who voted UKIP. Or maybe even straight to Tory.
I’m sure there’s a great point being made in your diagram but at the moment I feel like everyone else is laughing at a joke that I don’t understand.
I hope you can explain.
Thanks and regards
Apologies
My Venn diagrams aren’t mathematically Venn diagrams at all
They are cartoon representations of Venn diagrams
I think Richard’s Venn diagram represents the shabby move the Tories made in their Conference after power-dresser-May was selected as leader. They IMMEDIATELY took on the UKIP language, particularly the ghastly shyster of shysters Amber Crud (sic- or should it be sick!). She gave speech riddled with xenophobic garbage despite May’s own record being weak on immigration (from a xenophobic angle). It was unashamedly crass and transparently opportunistic as was the sudden ditching of the ‘surplus obsession’ with the phrase ‘that’s all changed now’ when that obsession was used to marginalise the vulnerable , ill and disabled.
The Tories will shape-shift on any issue. Vile and viler.
“I think it would be a scatter graph of circles”
Very droll!
Perhaps more accurately, a scatter graph of zeroes…
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/can-anybody-find-significant-difference-mays-policies-british-national-party-manifesto-2005/
Excellent diagram.
Exam topic – “Discuss the importance of Nigel Farrage in UK politics over the last 20 years”
I see UKIP as a return of the ‘Garagiste’ Conservatives who were embraced by Margaret Thatcher, much to the disdain of the Shire Tory grandees she superseded.
There was a time when the unpleasant opinions of ‘kippers would not be heard around the dining table of a respectable Conservative. Except, of course, the private tables of some clubs in London.
The key point is ‘respectability’ and whether or not it matters what you say in front of the servants. Or the middle classes and their media.
It is very, very clear where Mrs May and modern Conservatism stand on this; and electoral advantage dominates their calculations.
Unfortunately, many of those same unpleasant opinions you might also hear expressed around the pubs and clubs in the North and East and other areas of England. Therein lies at least one basis for the unholy alliance between who have funded the Brexit campaigns and those who bought their arguments, that migrants and the EU are the root cause of all their problems, be they education, jobs, housing or the NHS.
There would seem to be more than enough evidence to suggest that the sources of those problems lie predominantly within the UK, and the policies followed by successive UK governments. However, without being racist, many people are susceptible to being persuaded that an ‘other’ is the source of their problems, especially when no convincing alternative narratives are available, from trusted messengers. Enough have been persuaded, though they may become disillusioned before very long
But now we have to add in the emerging information about how the Right has used social media and big data to target its messages in ways that are perhaps far more worrying than the MSM that we regularly bemoan. Carol Cadwalladr’s article is essential reading https://www.theguardian.com/profile/carolecadwalladr
So yes, we have to develop the narrative, policies and find the messenger(s), but there is a deeper challenge of emerging of how to tackle what is a profound threat to democracy.