This is the third in a series of posts on the politics of Nigel Farage and Reform, all of which treat the two as effectively synonymous, as history has proven that to be the right thing to do.
Each post asks the same question - Why vote for reform? - within a different context.
A summary of all the posts to date is provided at the end of the post.
Each post is also appearing on YouTube and other social media platforms.
Farage is for the rich
Why would anyone vote for Reform? Nigel Farage wants lower taxes for the rich while cutting schools, the NHS, housing and pensions. Just like Trump's tax cuts in the USA, ordinary people would lose out while the wealthy get richer. Reform is not for you. It's a party for the rich.
This is the transcript:
Why would anyone vote for Reform? After all, Farage wants to lower the taxes of the rich in the UK, but doesn't want to do the same for you.
He's never denied the fact that this is what he's always been about. Big business and his wealthy backers would win from what he's proposing. And remember, he runs a company and not a political party. He's in the business of promoting business favours. He's not in the business of helping ordinary people.
The consequences are obvious. Lower taxes would inevitably mean fewer services in the UK economy. However, you interpret the role of tax within our macroeconomy that follows. Schools, the NHS, housing, and much more would be cut back.
The rich would keep their wealth, and the poorer would pay the price.
And we can already see that this is happening in the USA. There, Trump's tax cuts have been almost entirely for the wealthy, some of whom will see benefits of hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars a year. But the ordinary working person is seeing hardly any change at all, and those on the very lowest pay might even be seeing tax increases.
This is neoliberal trickery, but what it is most certainly not is fairness.
The consequences are obvious.
There would be growing inequality in the UK if Reform were to be in power.
Public services would be starved of funds.
Wealth would be sucked upwards.
Society would be broken apart.
Why would anyone want that?
Reform is a party for the rich. It's not a party for ordinary people, whether they're working or not.
It's most definitely not a party for pensioners.
So please don't vote to make yourself poorer. Please don't think about voting for Nigel Farage.
Why would you want to back Nigel Farage's tax scams?
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What if Reform increases the total compensation in society. That would mean an awful lot more for later governments to redistribute.
We don’t live in a binary world but I like the idea if the only other policy available is ever increasing taxation on all working people and a reduction in the total compensation available to shift around under State direction.
I admit I have no idea what you mean.
I think I can understand, I just don’t agree. Set aside your understanding of MMT for argument’s sake. He thinks that RefUK’s policies might increase the amount of broad money used for wages. And he thinks that the only possible source of government funding is taxing workers. Obviously, No and No, but this is the level of misunderstanding you are up against. But his position is consequent logic from his mistaken premises.
I don’t understand how someone who reads your transcripts or watches the video can not be persuaded by your argument. It perplexes me. What would it take to change the view of those who have responded to this survey by stating that Reform is for the people.
Sadly many were taken in by the Brexit lies, that we would be better off outside Europe. Remember all the cries of project fear? But now our food costs much more, and we have got used to much poorer quality fruit and veg in our supermarkets.
Good question.
But to be honest, I was surprised by the amount of supprot this got on YouTube.
We will be continuing with this series.
With the exception of cutting pensions (and don’t hold your breath) every policy you mention ((Nigel Farage wants lower taxes for the rich while cutting schools, the NHS, housing and pensions)
is already part and parcel of Labour’s policy enactments. What Farage has to offer to this gruesome regressive platter of policies is the piquant sauce of racism and hatred dialled up to 11.
“ The consequences are obvious. Lower taxes would inevitably mean fewer services in the UK economy. However, you interpret the role of tax within our macroeconomy that follows. Schools, the NHS, housing, and much more would be cut back”.
When I’m talking to people on the Clapham omnibus how do I reconcile my amateur understanding of MMT (spend and tax not tax and spend) with the equally true statement that lower taxes = fewer services? It kind of undermines my new found thinking that what counts are resources not money per se.
Answers on a postcard…
Does this provide the answer?
https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2025/09/07/why-modern-monetary-theory-fails-without-tax/
Er…sort of. If we don’t tax the economy would collapse because of inflation and if that happens then public services would be destroyed along with everything else in society. Did I get that right?
Not really, although you are a long way there
Just read the transcript. .
His “promise” to raise the lower income tax threshold to £20,000 is attractive to lower income earners currently paying income tax and NI, and pensioners being edged into becoming taxpayers by tax-drag on frozen allowances. That promise needs crtical examination in any challenge to Fa***e’s fiscal plans.
It comes at a massive price – in terms of shrinking services and benefits making people much worse off, hence my claim.
Stopping benefits to those coming over on small boats will help
They don’t get benefits
They do get emergency housing, but if they get the right to live here they then get nothing.
So, what are you asking for?
Why would anyone vote for Reform? I had this discussion yesterday with someone who does plan to vote for reform. Unfortunately they are too busy coping with life to pay much attention to politics, they don’t want to waste time arguing things through logically. They think the Tories made a mess of everything, they think Starmer is doing a terrible job and don’t like Labour much in principle anyway. I more or less made similar points to those in the video but the issue is they don’t believe me when I tell them all the things I think ‘would’ happen were Farage in Government. “No, I don’t think he’d do that, you’re just biased because you don’t like Farage, everything’s broken, we need a change” they reply. I feel quite despondent, I don’t know how we get through to people.
Agreed
I am suffering this problem.
It’s tiring and discouraging, but it isn’t hopeless.
Reform are in (local) government.
They are causing chaos. The stories are out there in the local press (Trinity Mirror/Reach plc/***** Live online) for the 12 Reform authorities and their mayoralties.
“He won’t do that…”?
Yet look at what the nasty people already in office have already said and done (Andrea Jenkyns? Sarah Pochin MP, councillors in Durham, or Kent CC).
In Durham they are imposing cuts, but also asking for a rise in allowances for councillors.
Elsewhere they are banning unfriendly journalists from reporting on their activities.
Farage now has a record to defend.
His own activities are also on the record. The MP with the highest earnings outside Parliament – who is he really working for? A man prepared to deceive us about his own property and tax affairs (stamp duty anyone?).
Is he the MP for Clacton or Mar-a-Lago?
If he can’t run his party how will he run the country?
He has published his policies – they can be discussed. Does your friend know any children with special needs?
As for mass deportations of LEGAL immigrants, what effect will that have on essential services that we all depend on?
On the basis of ALREADY KNOWN facts, can we trust Farage?
Last time we fell for a known lying charmer, we got Johnson. We can’t afford to do it again.
Yesterday a school bus driver was arrested for suspected drink/drug driving after a crash. Putting Farage into Downing St. would be like knowingly employing a team of alcoholics to drive our children to school every day. How much would we be prepared to do to stop that happening?
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If the English rich are afflicted with pleonexia – insatiable greed for more – the other side of the English psyche amongst the population is the English disease of austerity – taking things a way in order to have more – as typified by the post from Dominic Hall below.
It”s ‘take away this, take away that and we’ll have more’ all the time now, whereas previously, with strong trade unions and checks and balances it was always asking for more – adding to – and why not? Any growth was shared more equally that way.
As I was saying to a colleague other day as we veered into his opinion about boats, the point of pride of the working class was knowing who it was who was shagging them. This lot have not got a clue. I veer between contempt and pity.
All working people do now is slit their own throats and dig their own graves. You can have more if you ask for less apparently.
As we know, austerity does not work at all – Mark Blyth and Clara Mattei clarified that. But we’re addicted to it and it’s the road to nowhere.
Cowed or cowards – that’s the English now. But not me. No way.
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I agree that Fart-rage (& his “party”) has as an unstated aim: enrichment for the already rich/themselves.
The rhetoric, the narratives, the stories are anything but – they are emotional appeals to those that have been ignored, to those that have very little.
To them fart-rage says “I and Deform hear your pain”.
Very little follows after that – but that does not matter – the simple acknowledgement – “I hear you, I feel with you” (note the “with”) is enough – obvs coupled to the dismissal of the politics as normal/finger pointing at the current self-evidently corrupt crew.
Bolt on a synthetic issue (immigrants) and Deform is most of the way to where it wants to be.
I note that Starmer/McSwine are revisiting National ID cards.
That will help Fart-rage with selection for concentration camps/deportations when/once he gets into power (although obvs there will be synthetic opposition).
Farage PLC = By the Rich. For the Rich.
Fewer Services.
Fewer Schools.
Less Housing.
Taxes for the Poor.
Tax cuts for the Rich.
and other crimes
I like it
I’m afraid logic doesn’t come into it. Unless, of course, you are the kind of rich person who benefits from a deluded electorate.
Reform appeals to voters who believe immigrants are the UK’s number one problem.
Reform appeals to voters who hate the EU, or what they think the EU does and stands for.
Reform appeals to voters who have loudly decided to vote for the absolute worst chaos-mongering politicians because the others aren’t good enough. “You’re just paranoid; he’s not going to be that bad!” Right…this should be fun to watch….
So far, the only real difference I can see between Reform and MAGA is that Reform doesn’t spout religion. But other than that , they are one and the same …and I’ve personally had to deal with both. There is no talking to one of their supporters, once they cross that line into wilful stupidity. Logic doesn’t cut it. We just have to ensure the rest of us outnumber them, and that we actually vote.
I agree with you that the overlap with Maga is very high indeed.
Same tactics, same funding. Luckily for us, the Far Right is divided into two groups. The cynical Right, manipulating us for their rich masters, and the really weird far right, the Qanon, red pill, white people are the master race from Hyperboria. This conflict will always bring them down once they are in power.
But at what cost on the way?
Worth looking at the latest YouGov poll, based on 13000 voters responded.
Reform govt, or minority govt, or pact with Tories?
Should be noted, this does not include the likely impact of “Your” Party, and how that would split the vote further.
This is based on Reform getting 27% of the vote.
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/53059-yougov-mrp-shows-a-reform-uk-government-a-near-certainty-if-an-election-were-held-tomorrow
I may do a post on this
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