Labour's been knocked for six. The Tories face oblivion. And Reform are threatening politics as we know it. Did Thursday represent a political earthquake?
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Labour's been knocked for six by Reform. But if that's true, then the Tories have been almost wiped out by them.
That's the message from an extraordinary round of parliamentary by-elections, mayoralty elections and council elections, all of them in England, I stress, on Thursday.
We don't know the full results at the time this video's being recorded, and you will by the time it is broadcast, so you will have the upper hand with the precise details.
But what we know already is that in the Runcorn and Helsby by-election, Reform won by six votes. They beat Labour by having 38.72% of the vote, whereas Labour had 38.7% of the vote. That is the tiniest margin that you can imagine.
But what is really significant is this. In 2024, just last July, Labour got 52.9% of the vote, and Reform got just 18.1% of the vote. In other words, Reform is up 20%, Labour is down 14%, and the Tories are down 9%.
The Tories are being wiped out by Reform. Their support is just vapourising and disappearing in the direction of Nigel Farage's party, but Labour is being hit incredibly hard as well. This is one of the messages of the night.
It's happened in Lincolnshire, where we've seen a Reform mayor win by a significant margin.
It's also rumoured that the county council in Lincolnshire will have a Reform majority, and in Staffordshire, it's expected that the 53 Tory councillors who were in office on Thursday morning might all lose their seats. And there are only 60 councillors in Staffordshire as a whole. Reform might literally take out every Tory.
So far, the voting at the time that we're recording is 38% for Reform, 28% for the Tories, and 18% for Labour. Now, that is no indication of any form of national swing, because all the seats that were being contested were very largely in previous Tory strongholds. In other words, Labour really didn't have much to lose in most cases, except that parliamentary by-election. But what we are seeing is a significant swing.
And so let's just run through what this might mean if we actually extrapolate these results and consider what the political consequences are for the rest of this Parliament and beyond that.
The first is that the Tory party looks as though it could be heading for extinction. Now this is quite extraordinary. The Tory party has been able to claim, with good reason, that it has been the most successful political party in the history of democratic politics, going back more than 250 years in various forms, but nonetheless, a consistent presence in the UK House of Commons in a way that is unrivalled. And now it is polling so badly that nobody knows that it has a future.
I doubt that Kemi Badenoch, its current leader, has a future, so badly has she led it since the time that she took office. But that's not really the point. If the Tories now choose another leader, they will be even further to the right than Badenoch, and the likelihood that they will seek a merger with Reform is high. This party could be heading for extinction. The two-party system is, therefore, in a very real sense, heading for the most massive reform that we have seen for a century, and let's not pretend otherwise. This does change the whole dynamic of UK politics.
Secondly, Labour is not doing well. Now, nobody expected that it would, as I've been saying for a long time. Frankly, Labour has been utterly incompetent since it came into office last July. It could not have done worse with the job of managing government than it actually has, and as a consequence, voters have rumbled it and they will not provide it with the support that it wants. That was seen in Runcorn where the poll, as I've already noted , fell dramatically. But it's true across the board. They've held these mayoralties in places like Doncaster and the West of England, but with substantially reduced votes.
And everywhere they're suffering the problem that Labour is trying to outdo the right-wing, in the form of Nigel Farage, by moving substantially in its direction. They can't, however, outdo the right from the right. That's not possible. Labour is meant to be, should be, was, and I hope one day might be again, a left-of-centre political party. And by that I mean a genuinely left-of-centre political party, but it is already at the centre right, and if it does badly at the moment, there's a very real risk that it will follow the Tories to the far right. We will, then, have nothing left in the rest of politics in the UK. Labour is making a catastrophic mistake by trying to pretend that it can become a right-wing party to beat Farage. That will not work.
Thirdly, the first-past-the-post electoral system had a terrible night on Thursday. Why? That's because if there had been proportional representation, we would not have seen Reform do nearly as well as it has.
Remember that at one time we had mayoral elections on the basis of single-transferable votes. That was the case in London for a long time, for example, but instead, we had first-past-the-post systems in operation this time, and so as a result, whoever got the largest pile of votes was elected. But suppose that Andrea Jenkins in Lincolnshire had, for example, been subject to a proportional representation system, although she won 42% of first preference votes, she may well have not won the overall election because people would never have given her a second choice, and therefore she might not have crept over the 50% which was required to win, and somebody else might have done.
And if the local council elections had been run on a proportional representation system, we might well have seen very significantly different results as well. Remember that proportional representation is used for local council elections in Scotland, but it is not in England, which is quite absurd. If many of those Reform candidates who have been successful in local council elections in England had been subject to a proportional representation vote, with voters being required to list an order of preference of candidates, many of those Reform candidates would not have met the threshold to be elected because people would not have given them their second choice. They would instead have swapped from the minority parties to a larger party opposing Reform, and as a consequence, the Reform candidates might well have lost, whereas at present they've won. So, first-past-the-post did a terrible job for democracy in the UK on Thursday night by returning candidates that most people quite actively do not want, and that is a travesty of justice.
Let's just mention those small parties, because this is my fourth point about these elections. They, by and large, had a bad night. The Greens had, for example, been hoping to have a good night in the West of England mayoral elections, because they had won Bristol Council, but they didn't. They came third, and that is because it seems very likely that many of their supporters switched their allegiance to Labour to hold Reform at bay. I think that is entirely possible, but this is just another consequence of that failure of the first-past-the-post electoral system. People should be able to vote for the party they want, with the hope that it will be represented and not have to endure a party that they don't want because the system requires them to vote with a peg on their nose. This is not democracy as it should be.
Fifth and most obviously, one of the things to note is that the turnout in these elections was really low. And frankly, those who did vote did not, in many cases, vote for Reform, as such, because a great many of them are completely unable to explain what its policies are beyond migration, but did instead vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties. Basically, there was a massive protest vote going on, and this is going to become a noisy feature of British elections for a long time to come unless and until we actually get electoral reform and voting can become a relevant political act again.
So people were out there saying, we don't want any of these candidates. In particular, they were sending that message to both the Tories and Labour. And I don't blame them. The Tories have proved themselves to be incompetent beyond any measure that we have previously known about. It is unsurprising that the party is being decimated. But Labour too are also being rejected by the voters, so soon after they were elected only in July 2024. They simply have not resonated since being in office with people, and things like abolishing the winter fuel allowance and keeping the two-child benefit cap in place, and alienating people by threatening austerity, and refusing decent pay rises for people who deserve it in the public sector, all those things have alienated key parts of their support, and the consequences is very clear. People won't vote for them. It's as simple and as straightforward as that.
Labour cannot win from where it is.
The Tories are probably over.
These parties have failed, and let's be blunt, it is neoliberalism that has failed them. Putting up sock puppets, people who have no opinion, nothing to say, who've only learned the party line, who can only repeat the maxims that have been handed down to them by head office, or report the latest text message that they've had on what they must say; those people will never endear themselves to an electorate. The electorate has rumbled that that is what they're being given. They realise that these people have no opinions of their own and no ability to deliver on their behalf because they're so out of touch with the reality of life, and the consequence is they won't vote for them.
I don't blame them, but this brings me to my final point when we look at last night, and that is that unless we do actually reform our electoral system, this disenchantment with politics will become so significant that fascism will walk in as a consequence of the refusal of most people to vote for a party that will do nothing for the majority of people in this country.
We need electoral reform.
We need it to give Labour and the Tories a chance again, which is why it is now so bizarre that neither of them is in favour of it.
We need it to make sure that people have the right to proper representation of their opinion in Parliament.
We need it so that there is a chance for other political parties to come into the arena to make sure that there is a true spectrum of opinion represented on the ballot paper the next time that we see one.
We need it because without fair representation, we are not a democracy.
We are not a free country.
We are not properly governed, and we are headed for failure.
And that's where Reform will take us. Let's be clear, they have no idea why they've been elected.
They have no idea what policies they can implement.
There is no thing that they can do in the councils that they are going to take over which will actually support their supposed migration agenda, over which they have no control whatsoever. And there are no cuts that they can put in place that will not harm significant numbers of people who are already vulnerable.
Reform is the answer to no conceivable political question in UK politics. But when the Tories and Labour, and to a very large degree, the Liberal Democrats have no answers either, and the Green Party still remain out in the wilderness with regard to its economic policy, people are left devoid of political choice.
And in that case, they're not voting and they won't again until they are given a voting system that lets them express their opinion. That is the crisis that is facing the UK and its democracy, and its governance, and its very future. Without electoral reform, we're deluding ourselves and heading into a ghastly pit of neo-fascism and actual fascism, which is what Reform represents.
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I think the 2 party system has been dead for a while, but it’s better hidden at national level. Local politics can be much less partisan, as certainly for me you are voting for someone you know and is much more accountable locally and less to their party.
The rise of Reform is a real concern, but even Nigel Farage admitted they now have to deliver and on past performance it won’t be long before skeletons come out of the cupboard and they start falling out with each other. I just feel sorry for those with massive Reform majorities, most of whom will have no local government experience at all.
Locally in Devon, which has been a shockingly badly run council with a terrible record on SEND, potholes etc. and become totally out of touch with local people, the Tories lost big time and there is now not a single Labour councillor. Exeter has gained 3 Green councillors and a LD in the better off parts of the city, retained 1 Conservative and has 4 Reform councillors in the poorer parts of the city. I voted LD, but this was a tactical vote for a really decent local person with a good track record who has replaced a very ineffective elderly Tory councillor who did nothing for us. We now have a minority LD council that I expect to work constructively with the Greens and Independents.
If anything this week’s elections show us we need electoral reform, but Reform are no longer likely to support it! And the 2 major parliamentary parties are likely to lurch further to the right!
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Political parties are, or used to be, coalitions of differing (but not wildly differing) views on policies. In Parliament you had a spectrum of opinions and, to some extent, this was used to justify FPTP as both main parties contained honest individuals who clearly acted in what they saw as the best interests of their constituents and not from party dogma – if from different perspectives. Since the Labour hierarchy conspired to get rid of Corbyn and anyone expressing left-wing opinions, and since the Tory hierarchy purged any sensible Tories, the way has been open for the “sock puppets” whose views are tailored to fit the prevailing views of those in power in whichever party they choose to belong to (for the time being!). In the last 10 years we have seen an increasing polarisation in politics which has been unencumbered by restraining voices from within either party. This is not a situation that is sustainable. It will either lead to serious revolt within either party, or both, or it will lead to the fascism which you, sadly but accurately, predict. We must bring decision making closer to the electorate. Proportional representation is the first step, but devolving power to regions and local councils must follow.
Staffordshire – and I am thinking about Staffordshire Moorlands – is one of the poorest parts of the country which has been failed by its councillors and central government for some time. The winter fuel payments changes must have hit them really hard among other things.
As alluded above, we are likely to get more of the same.
Looking back, even Thatcher knew when to put on the brakes and slow down. It seems to me that her inheritors in Stymied’s Labour and certainly in the Tory party – egged on by the wealth they have created and who now funds them – have no such inkling that they have gone too far.
This can only be because of ignorance and how wealth it’s calling the shots on everything policy wise for if they cannot see it, the problem does not exist to them.
What makes me really angry is that in 2008, the government bailed out the private banking sector for its inability to manage itself and also supplies enough money to that same private banking sector in the form of the CBRA to support its activities in enriching those who now fund and essentially own the politics of this country.
In many sick and unexpected ways, the BoE, Treasury and even the Chancellor of the Exchequer are indeed independent – independent of democracy, that is.
Much to agree with
‘Knocked for six’ – good one!
”We need electoral reform. We need it to give Labour and the Tories a chance again, which is why it is now so bizarre that neither of them is in favour of it.” I too hope for a strengthening of democracy with PR, but the whole direction of travel these days is in the opposite direction, and fear it is likely that this will persist until the bitter end. The chance of either party drawing any sensible conclusions (i.e. significant change required) from these election experiences is fairly remote. Instead, they will be likely to double down on the same old nonsense. Which, of course, is insane, but that’s where we are with politics in the 21st century.
”the Green Party still remain out in the wilderness with regard to its economic policy” – does the Green party even realise they have a problem with this? The membership decide the policies, well, those few who are interested enough to take action. That’s how a small group of GP members were able to introduce the Positive Money agenda, which most others go along with probably without understanding. I suspect most Green Party members – like most people generally – have not a clue when it comes to economics, preferring to leave these difficult things to self-appointed experts and those with a bone to pick . Not sure how this could change. Is there a MMT faction in the GP membership?
The greens are, I am told, discussing the issues I have raised about their policies
As a Green party member who has done loads of door knocking and campaigning, I would say firstly that for local elections very few people raise economic policy or any other policy on the doors. It is usually issues with school places, parking, buses etc. Secondly, locally people often vote for a person they feel is locally engaged and many who voted Green in Reading voted because of the level of community engagement that Labour no longer seem to do, not for environmental or any other policy. I now vote LD locally for the very same reason, despite not agreeing with many of their national policies and being far left of them in my personal views. I think you have to look at the quality of the candidate and how much they are dictated to by their party machine, which is where the 2 previously major parties fall down in my opinion.
The LDs have always done local politics well.
It is emerging that Labour’s ‘grand strategy’ over the next few years and going into the election – they have almost admitted as such yesterday in statements – is the ‘only we can beat Reform’ is to be the ‘progressive alliance’ against the right wing threat. Asking Green and Lib Dem voters to vote Labour in the future.
In some ways it is a ‘genius’ strategy for Labourists (dyed in the wool Labour people) to consolidate the ‘left of centre’ in England. As a Compass member, it was striking that when talking with some of these dyed in the wool Labourists people saying: “but the Labour Party is the progressive alliance”. I despair!
It only works if Labour’s policies are progressive (and they are not and getting less so each week)!
I live in Bury St Edmunds, and Suffolk (and Norfolk) will have elections next year – I’ll not be supporting Labour’s ‘progressive alliance’, especially as – in today’s news – it doubles down on even harsher and even more hostile measures against immigrants (among other things).
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You are right
Re ”the Green Party still remain out in the wilderness”.
From the Guardian today: ”A saving grace, some ministers believe, is that the Greens are underperforming. “I think we are extraordinarily fortunate that the Green party are shit,” one minister said.”
It’s not just the Green party though, they could say the same about the Left as a whole, including left-leaning Labour MPs. Where is the political opposition to neoliberalism? If it is there, it just doesn’t cut through into general consciousness, there is no focus that disgruntled progressive voters can rally around. At least in America, where the Democratic Party leadership is hopeless, people can go to AOC or Bernie rallies, or be inspired by people like Illinois Governor JGB Pritzker.
That is because there is no idea to coalesce around
By order of seats gained (or loss) the rankings of the parties in the 2019 European elections was
1. Brexit
2. Lib Dem
3. Green
4. Labour
5. Conservative
Substitute Brexit for Reform and the rankings are the same in this week’s election.
The history book on the shelf, it’s always repeating itself.
Worth noting that in 2019 the Labour Party lost most seats at the following General Election, in which Brexit and Conservative did an agreement. Which goes to show therefore that Reform has in a sense previous form for cooperation to achieve their goals.
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One way of looking at the result.
FPTP supporting parties — Lab and Con -861
PR supporting parties — Lib Dems, Green, and Reform +884
Now, I know that Reform’s support for PR should be taken with a pinch of salt, but that is what they called for at the last election, and post election. No indication that they have changed the policy yet. In fact, now that Reform has had this sniff of undemocratic power that FPTP can give, Farage should be pressed on whether they still support it. Or will he just rub his hands with glee at the possibility of FPTP victories with the help of the Tories?
The point is, even if unknowing, the majority voted on Thursday for PR supporting parties.
I like that