I've long got on with Angus McNeil MP, one of the SNP's longest serving members at Westminster. He tweeted this overnight:
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Angus B MacNeil MP (@AngusMacNeilSNP) |
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Been in touch with Speaker at #Commons
Next week i will, with other MPs, apply for a Debate under Standing Order 24 to push for Commons vote to #RevokeArticle50. Revocation ends #Brexit in an afternoon & requires only one letter to EU . Tweet/email your MP to support this. |
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At least someone is trying to do the right thing for the UK, even if he is a passionate Scottish independent.
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The petition to revoke Article 50 has reached over two million signatures, as of this morning (according to the BBC.) No wonder the petition site kept going down yesterday.
2.5 million now
Och aye Pal!
We need more o’ this type of laddie in the Big Hoose!!
Good luck tae him (or whatever the Scottish equivalent of that is).
Whadda you mean…”even if…..”….!
‘Even if’
It’s not about MacNeil being Scottish Ian, it’s about that there’s not enough people like him in Parliament at this dark hour.
And I concur whole heartedly with that sentiment.
Ian Sanderson says:
“Whadda you mean…”even if…..”….! ”
Given that Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving to the Scottish Independence movement; showing up ‘Little Englander’ disdain, with respect to other parts of the UK aswell as Europe, demonstrating the current government’s incompetence, and the UK Labour party’s similar lack of apparently having either a clue how to deal with it, nor the cohesion to present a united opposition, Scottish politicians have consistently opposed the worst outcomes of Brexit in so far as they have been allowed a hearing.
Given he’s ‘only’ a Scot, it’s a wonder he gives a toss about Brexit and the bad effects it is likely to rain on England (and Wales). Theresa May and her clown troupe have been the best advertisement for Scottish independence any independence supporter could wish for.
In terms of self interest vs altruism it’s fair to point out that an Independent Scotland would not enjoy, or benefit from a dysfunctional southern neighbour offering a major and on-going market for its high grade produce.
Scotland has the capacity and potential to rise in the world in absolute terms, not just relative to a struggling rUK.
Scottish Independence is not zero sum. It should be win-win for the constituent parts of the (hopefully soon to be) fractured union.
Ian, I think Richard’s point, is that it would be, considering that Angus is pro Scottish Independence, he doesn’t really have to bother. It should be the pro UK squad that should be advocating a Revoke. Labour sitting on their hands, just hoping for a General Election, while Brexit is in full scale crisis. The whole of UK, who have not been tainted by the Leave virus, should be applauding the SNP for putting the interest of all the countries of the UK, before that of self-seeking (as the pro UK parties have done).
I’m sure I’m not the only one who has spent a great deal of time watching BBC parliament recently, and I’ve rather come to the conclusion that SO24 debates are just all bark and no bite.
They provide a bit of drama and make it look like discussions are being had, but in the end there is an unamendable motion on neutral terms: “that the house has considered …”
Until someone comes up with a direction, or even a timetable, that can win support there’s little reason to assume the commons can achieve anything.
I have just signed the petition. It gave me the only sense of satisfaction I have felt about the matter since I voted to Remain. I promise to Remain or Remoan to the bitter end …. and beyond; even if we leave. The Brexiteers think they will be free of this if/when we leave? This is a profound mistake. There is no end when electors become dictators, and Brexit has become elective dictatorship. This is the real nature of politics, rather than the nonsense Brexiteers choose to believe. This is just the beginning.
2.6m+ now.
🙂
It is great that it is 2.6 million but I am more interested in how Parliament reacts to it.
What is worse for me is that those who want a second referendumb suffer from the same illusions as the those who voted Leave: that they can mandate their MPs.
As I had to point out to a Remainer who supports a second referendumb , we choose our representatives on the basis of what they tell us THEY are going to do; they do not choose us on the basis is of what we want.
3.0m+. Please keep up!
Incidentally, Petition for a ‘No deal’ Brexit? ＜0.4m.
🙂
I think you mean “because” Angus “is a passionate Scottish independent”. For us in the SNP the two are not divisible. We are passionate about our country’s freedom to run our own affairs AND that means we are passionate about taking our place in the Europe to whose culture we have always belonged – and that continent, our continent, is not severed from us by an alien body to our south. When we think of Europe, we automatically see that as “including these islands”, all of them – a phrase I once had to fight a university battle (in England) to have recognised as an essential part of the definition of a hsitory foundation course. Angus Brendan is a great guy and, though it was ignored by all of the MSM this week, it was telling that the amendment which would already have brought the revocation of Article 50 to the House, was in his name and that of Kenneth Clarke.
As at 1.35pm this afternoon the petition stood at 3,153,074
3.0 million+?
Great stuff.
I’m going on the march tomorrow with my daughter who is living in London at the moment. Having read Robert Peston’s gloomy reports, I don’t kid myself that either the petition (which I signed yesterday between blackouts) nor a march of 1 million strong will make the slightest difference. A similar number marched objecting to the Iraq war and were proven right, so I expect the same this time and we will have to live with the consequences of Brexit as well for decades to come.
In my local paper Lymington & Milton Advertiser, letter writers say how we must leave to have control of our borders, have a 200 mile fishing zone etc etc. they never let some pesky facts bother them such as we had/have control over both EU nationals and the rest of the world about which the home secretary (T May) did nothing to reduce. Fishing is a very small part of the economy so the fishing rights will not make the slightest difference. https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliversmith/2019/01/07/forget-fishing-britains-digital-sector-is-now-9000-times-bigger/#52d84e05289c
Good luck tomorrow
Parental commitments mean I have to be elsewhere
Ian says:
“”In my local paper Lymington & Milton Advertiser, letter writers say how we must leave to have control of our borders, have a 200 mile fishing zone etc …”
I am intrigued know just how large an expanse of water the letter writers of Lymington think the Irish Sea is …. or the English Channel. Or come to that the North Sea. You’d probably just about get a 200 mile limit between The East Coast of England and Denmark at its widest point. (I’m assuming the Danes would be entitled to a similar limit)
I think I’m right in saying that there is only a wee pointy bit of English waters extending into the Atlantic west of Cornwall and to the South of Ireland that actually extends as far as two hundred miles without encroaching on another nation’s land surface or closely abutting or overlapping its waters.
Oh! Maybe they are thinking of Scottish territorial waters (EEZ)…… Hmmmm….?
So many of the things that ardent ‘Leavers’ say sound really profound until you look at the reality and it is obvious they are talking utter shite.*
*Shite (noun) Scottish vernacular for something not quite what it’s cracked-up to be.
My Partner and teenage daughter went down this morning to join her sister and husband who are on the march. I’m holding the fort here with my son who has a previous engagement.
Last night we made a placard saying ‘Revocation for the Nation’ with a copy of A50 being squeezed in a clinched fist.
Even if nothing changes now, I think that we are seeing foundations being laid for change. That is what I am clinging onto in my view.
Keep clinging on
As Johnny Cash sang: “How high’s the petition Mama? – it’s 3.2m and rising – How high’s the petition papa? – she says it’s 3.3m and rising”
Quite – the fishing argument is again largely down to the the UK government rather than the EU
http://www.progressivepulse.org/brexit/realistic-fishing
In other circumstances I would undoubtedly have been there on the demo but I seem to have got a split knee cartilage which is a bit problematic…
Ow
Rest it….
I wish 3 million + signatures would carry some weight but I expect they’ll just ignore unless it seriously starts to challenge the number of people voted leave (17.4 million) after they’ve removed the signatures of any bots and foreign nationals.
the petition is past 3,100,000 now,
am I right in saying the turnout for the referendum was circa 31,000,000?
so in a couple of days 10% of the turnout has expressed a wish to cancel out this horrible mess in one fell swoop,
the size of and the speed of growth of this petition is being commented on,
if anything the speed of growth may be being limited by the abilities of the site to process and validate the signatures,
hence the frequent site crashes earlier on and the subsequent disabling of the live update to the total as this was overloading the database,
signing this petiton has gone viral, it’s a true social phenomena, the mainstream media have been slow to pick up on the story, they’ve never considered the Revoke Article 50 option, they seem a bit sniffy about it all, where reported the reaction in the story’s comment section is interesting, the trolls seem to be out in force, I smell their fear.
well Gibraltar certainly thinks it’s a good idea!
https://news.sky.com/story/gibraltar-chief-fabian-picardo-revoke-article-50-to-take-back-control-11671687
you know, revoking article 50 is a very simple, yet elegant solution,
if done in time we remain without having to have a further referendum,
stop the countdown,
retain our rebate,
retain Sterling,
revoking has already been legally deemed legitimate,
revoking can be done soley by parliament without requiring the involvement of any EU party,
Theresa May’s deal (BINO) is pretty lame, the Wreckers say that no deal (Hard Brexit) is better than her deal, I’m inclined to think the current deal, No Brexit, beats both of them hands down.
on Saturday there’s a march in London, ostensibly it’s asking for a 2nd vote but taking circumstances into account and this obvious spontaneous expression of civic concern I’d suggest people make placards for and devise chants revolving around the ‘revoke’ theme,
I recall the ‘ooooh Jeremy Corbyn’ chant being sung cyclically at music festivals, it was pleasant to hear, non aggressive, fun, inclusive,
the march will go past Buckingham Palace, I don’t know if HRH will be at home but a tuneful and cheerful refrain wafting through her windows might pluck at her heart strings,
Revoking Article 50 yet again makes me return to and paraphrase a remark attributed to Churchill,
“you can rely upon people to do the right thing, after they’ve tried every other alternative”
it’s time to take back control and revoke article 50.
Agreed
The SNP have already proposed revocation before in various amendments and they were all overwhelmingly rejected. The same will happen here. The Commons may be dumb, but they’re not stupid.
You’re not good at arguing your case, are you!