This is most of the Green New Deal Group, this week:
In the front, Jeremy Leggett and Ann Pettifor.
In the back, from left, Andrew Simms, me, Caroline Lucas, Colin Hines, Charles Secrett and Geoff Tily.
Missing are Tony Juniper and Larry Elliott.
This wasn't a youth revolution.....
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But it is a revolution the youth will get behind!
I’ve read the Green New Deal and it’s aspirational of course but it’s not as pragmatic as Green Neoliberalism.
This is accepting that the climate is warming, that it’s due to mankind largely, and the probability of being wrong about this is below 5% ( 2013 IPCC report ), which is the usual standard for accepting scientific results as accurate. It could still be wrong, but we can tackle it, and would like to do in a way which is cost effective, not which allocates stupendous resources, and reduces leisure on a colossal scale.
Take air travel, which plenty in that photograph partake in. Under a green new deal the passengers get the benefits but would not pay for the cost of their activity and nothing much would change until the rail system is built out, and electric public transport and cars are widespread.
Under a carbon dioxide tax , we charge straightaway, around 80 dollars a tonne gets added to the air fare on all outgoing flights ( although air passenger duty comes off ), plus a bit more for admin and margin of error. If an incoming flight arrives from a country that doesn’t collect a carbon tax, then we charge the tax here on landing and then send the cheque to the revenue authorities of the country from which the flight took off. That will lead to an incentive for other countries to follow our lead.
Example: flight from Gambia to London – we charge the passengers a carbon tax on arrival, and sent the money to Revenues Gambia. To get round the cost some passengers from Gambia decide to come into London via Amsterdam, say. Quickly the Gambian revenue authorities will apply the tax to Gambia to Netherlands flight from their end as once they’re getting the income they won’t want to lose it.
The Green New Deal doesn’t have this external price incentive on other countries.
We heard you
And price incentives will not work
It’s already been explained why
Now stop wasting my time
“Flanders Lad”
= Spam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE
Reading an article on this morning on Climate Change in an email from National Geographic. It seems that the USA has not only taken the idea on board, but unsurprisingly appears to be claiming the concept as their own. It is to be hoped that they can overcome their perceived extra difficulties and implement the proposals very soon.
“This wasn’t a youth revolution…..”
No, but it will be:
https://www.businessinsider.com/creators-of-the-green-new-deal-recruiting-an-army-of-young-people-2019-1/?r=AU&IR=T
https://www.axios.com/poll-millennials-care-about-climate-change-1519649123-0c3a4634-dd7b-4e12-a1a2-19fca93aa3b7.html
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/30/climate-change-strike-thousands-of-students-to-join-national-protest
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Hello Richard.
I’m wondering if a GND can be implemented by any eurozone country, unilaterally?
If not, why not?
Thank you.
It could be
It is not dependent on MMT
I think it helps but Ann Pettifor, for example, does not whilst Portugal has shown how to deal with the ECB requirements
Have you seen this one?
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/02/15/the-green-new-deal-capitalism-and-the-state/
I hadn’t
Thanks
Look out!
You’ve got company:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/bloomberg-calls-for-achievable-green-new-deal
Something to do with this among other things: https://about.bnef.com/
So the watering down begins….
Its de rigueur.
He won’t get it all his way though and neither will we. Game on then. Having people like him on board is uncomfortable for sure but then again it pretty much assures that something will happen. May as well get used to it and consider relative bargaining positions as they arise.
BTW – what do you know about this? :
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/opinion/green-new-deal.html
“Back in 2007, I wrote a column calling for a “Green New Deal,” and I later expanded on the idea in a book, “Hot, Flat and Crowded.” Barack Obama picked up the theme and made a Green New Deal part of his 2008 platform, but the idea just never took off.”
Thomas L. Friedman
I do know about it
There was complete coincidence in the use of the term
But he just used it
We developed it
And we have confirmation from Democrats for Justice that the US idea is now lifted straight from the UK version
I’m pleased to hear that. In an overall sense I never liked Thomas Friedman.