{"id":92697,"date":"2026-06-01T07:04:18","date_gmt":"2026-06-01T06:04:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/?p=92697"},"modified":"2026-06-01T07:04:18","modified_gmt":"2026-06-01T06:04:18","slug":"debate-ammunition-the-accounting-time-machine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2026\/06\/01\/debate-ammunition-the-accounting-time-machine\/","title":{"rendered":"Debate Ammunition: The Accounting Time Machine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>THE RICHARD J MURPHY YOUTUBE CHANNEL<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>DEBATE AMMUNITION<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>ACCOUNTING'S TIME MACHINE: HOW MODERN FINANCE STEALS THE FUTURE<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\">Funding the Future | June 2026<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>TODAY'S TOPIC<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Accounting's Time Machine: How Modern Finance Steals the Future<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2026\/06\/01\/is-accounting-a-time-machine\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The video this Debate Ammunition relates to is here.<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>THE CORE ARGUMENT<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Modern accounting does not record what has happened: it reaches into the future, discounts expected income back to a present value, and books the resulting number as profit today, before any cash has been received and on the basis of assumptions that may prove wholly wrong. This practice, introduced across all major company accounts in 2005 under International Financial Reporting Standards, is not a technical refinement: it is a political act. By inflating stated wealth today with tomorrow's uncertain gains, it creates the basis for directors' bonuses and shareholder dividends that are paid out of money that does not yet exist and may never materialise. The future is systematically appropriated by those who own financial assets, and the rest of society is left to carry the risk and, ultimately, the cost.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>THE ARGUMENT STRUCTURE<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse; width: 100%; border: 1px solid #000;\" border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"8\">\n<thead>\n<tr>\n<th style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Step<\/th>\n<th style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Argument<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Step 1 \u2014 The Confessional: What Accounting Used to Do<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Until the neoliberal reform of 2005, accounting was governed by the principle of prudence: losses were anticipated immediately, but profits could only be recognised once they had actually been realised by a completed transaction. The future was kept out of the accounts.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Step 2 \u2014 The Time Machine: How Discounting Works<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Using a worked numerical example, Richard shows how discounted cash flow analysis translates expected future income into a present value. A \u00a310,000 investment expected to generate \u00a326,000 in future cash becomes \u00a320,000 in today's accounting terms, using an assumed 10% discount rate. The gain of \u00a310,000 is then booked as profit now, before a single penny has been received.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Step 3 \u2014 The Fiction Dressed as Fact<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">The profit recorded is built entirely on assumptions: an assumed discount rate, estimated future cash flows, and a guessed sale price. None of these is guaranteed. Yet certified auditors sign off the accounts as giving a true and fair view, providing spurious mathematical precision to what is, in Richard's words, pure gobbledygook.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Step 4 \u2014 The Political Consequence: Stealing the Future<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">This accounting convention reaches far beyond corporate balance sheets. It shapes how pension funds and stock markets are valued, how directors' bonuses and dividends are calculated, and, critically, how society discounts the costs of climate change into near-irrelevance. The future is appropriated by the wealthy today, and the rest of society is left to pay the price tomorrow.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>THEIR ARGUMENT \u2192 YOUR REBUTTAL<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse; width: 100%; border: 1px solid #000;\" border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"8\">\n<thead>\n<tr>\n<th style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">They Say<\/th>\n<th style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Your Response<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Discounting simply reflects the time value of money: a pound today really is worth more than a pound next year. This is a basic economic reality, not a political choice.<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">The time value of money is real enough when interest rates are known and cash flows are certain. But the discount rate used in mark-to-market accounting is chosen by management, not given by nature. A 10% rate and a 5% rate produce entirely different valuations of the same asset. That choice belongs to the company, not the market, and it is taken precisely because it inflates today's stated profit.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Fair value accounting makes company accounts more transparent and more informative for investors. It provides a current, realistic picture rather than a historical cost frozen in time.<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Transparency requires truth. A number derived from assumed cash flows, an arbitrary discount rate, and a guessed sale price is not a current reality: it is a forecast dressed in accountant's clothing. When those assumptions prove wrong, as they routinely do, the 'transparency' collapses. Ask any investor who held shares in a bank in 2008 whether IFRS accounting gave them a reliable picture.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Auditors sign off these accounts, which means they are independently verified. If the numbers were fabricated, auditors would not certify them.<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Auditors certify that the accounting standards have been applied, not that the underlying assumptions are correct. They cannot verify what the discount rate should be, or what a sale price in three years will actually turn out to be. They are certifying the arithmetic, not the predictions. The 2008 financial crisis demonstrated in catastrophic detail the distance between certified accounts and commercial reality.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Discounting future climate costs is appropriate because economic growth means future generations will be wealthier and therefore better placed to deal with those costs than we are.<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">This is precisely the circular logic Richard identifies. The discount rate is used to shrink the present value of future climate damage until it becomes negligible, which then justifies minimal action now. But future generations cannot exercise their supposedly greater wealth if the ecological systems that sustain an economy have been destroyed. The discount rate does not reflect economic reality: it encodes a political choice to privilege the present over the future.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>THE ONE-LINER<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u201cAccountants have built a time machine that lets the wealthy claim tomorrow\u2019s profits as today\u2019s bonuses, and the rest of us are left to pay for it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #b51d1d;\"><strong>FURTHER READING<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>All sources below are from taxresearch.org.uk (Funding the Future blog) and are directly relevant to the arguments in this video.<\/p>\n<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse; width: 100%; border: 1px solid #000;\" border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"8\">\n<thead>\n<tr>\n<th style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Title<\/th>\n<th style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Date<\/th>\n<th style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Relevance<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<\/thead>\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2009\/01\/13\/what-is-profit\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">What is profit?<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">January 2009<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Directly addresses how the shift from historical-cost to mark-to-market accounting changed the definition of profit and enabled manufactured dividends.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2013\/06\/21\/are-international-financial-reporting-standards-illegal-the-evidence-is-compelling\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Are International Financial Reporting Standards illegal?<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">June 2013<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Argues that IFRS abandoned the legal requirement of prudence and that up to \u00a350 billion in pre-crash bank dividends may therefore have been unlawful.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2015\/09\/01\/international-accounting-standards-do-not-meet-the-requirements-of-uk-law\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">International accounting standards do not meet the requirements of UK law<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">September 2015<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Examines the legal gap between IFRS-reported profits and the realised profits on which tax and dividend law depend, arguing for parliamentary oversight of standard-setting.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2020\/04\/27\/the-time-to-scrap-ifrs-accounting-has-arrived\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The time to scrap IFRS accounting has arrived<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">April 2020<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Calls for return to historical cost accounting, noting that IFRS rules allowed banks to suppress loss reporting during the 2020 crisis, repeating the failures of 2008.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2020\/04\/09\/stock-markets-are-now-inherently-unstable-because-current-accounting-standards-have-ceased-to-value-the-real-worth-of-companies\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Stock markets are now inherently unstable because current accounting standards have ceased to value the real worth of companies<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">April 2020<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Connects mark-to-market valuation conventions directly to structural stock market instability, with particular attention to the role of present-value discounting.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2021\/10\/26\/if-we-discount-the-future-we-wont-tackle-climate-change-which-seems-to-be-what-some-economists-want\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">If we discount the future we won't tackle climate change<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">October 2021<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Develops the precise argument made in this video: that discounting renders future climate costs nearly worthless in present-value terms, discouraging necessary immediate action.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2025\/10\/11\/the-inequality-lie\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The inequality lie<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">October 2025<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Demonstrates how official inequality data understate the scale of the problem; complements the video's argument that accounting conventions actively redistribute power to the wealthy.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2025\/04\/14\/the-problem-with-the-uk-is-that-we-do-not-redistribute-income-let-alone-wealth\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The problem with the UK is that we do not redistribute income, let alone wealth<\/a><\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">April 2025<\/td>\n<td style=\"border: 1px solid #000; padding: 8px; text-align: left;\">Shows that the UK tax system fails to redistribute income or wealth, providing political economy context for the video's claim that accounting inflates inequality.<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>THE RICHARD J MURPHY YOUTUBE CHANNEL DEBATE AMMUNITION ACCOUNTING&#8217;S TIME MACHINE: HOW MODERN FINANCE STEALS THE FUTURE Funding the Future | June 2026 TODAY&#8217;S TOPIC<br \/><a class=\"moretag\" href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2026\/06\/01\/debate-ammunition-the-accounting-time-machine\/\"><em> Read the full article&#8230;<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[67,26,81,238,204,35,16,147,224,106,235,223],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-92697","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-accountancy","category-accounting","category-auditing","category-debate-ammunition","category-economic-justice","category-economics","category-ethics","category-inequality","category-neoliberalism","category-politics","category-politics-for-people","category-politics-of-care"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/92697","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=92697"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/92697\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":92740,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/92697\/revisions\/92740"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=92697"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=92697"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=92697"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}