{"id":39468,"date":"2017-11-16T10:01:52","date_gmt":"2017-11-16T10:01:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/?p=39468"},"modified":"2017-11-16T11:20:30","modified_gmt":"2017-11-16T11:20:30","slug":"its-time-the-treasury-listened-to-the-national-audit-office-when-it-comes-to-government-debt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2017\/11\/16\/its-time-the-treasury-listened-to-the-national-audit-office-when-it-comes-to-government-debt\/","title":{"rendered":"It&#8217;s time the Treasury listened to the National Audit Office when it comes to government debt"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nao.org.uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Evaluating-the-government-balance-sheet-borrowing.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">National Audit Office published a review of UK debt last week<\/a>. It was an incredibly important document, and I managed to miss it at first. Its relevance comes down to one key issue. It tells the truth. This is rare on this issue. By this I mean it reports the true level of UK government debt. This is its opening presentation of key facts:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2017\/11\/16\/its-time-the-treasury-listened-to-the-national-audit-office-when-it-comes-to-government-debt\/screen-shot-2017-11-16-at-07-27-45\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-39469\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-39469\" src=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.27.45-550x394.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" height=\"394\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.27.45-550x394.png 550w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.27.45-419x300.png 419w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.27.45-768x550.png 768w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.27.45-559x400.png 559w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.27.45.png 796w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This suggestion that the UK government's debt is \u00a31.3 trillion <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/655628\/PDB_-_Web_-_October_2017.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">contrasts dramatically with the Treasury view of debt<\/a>, which is reflected in this data, issued recently, and which is what the media usually report in their desire to suggest that the UK economy is being crushed by a government debt mountain that is apparently unsustainable and a burden on generations to come:<a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2017\/11\/16\/its-time-the-treasury-listened-to-the-national-audit-office-when-it-comes-to-government-debt\/screen-shot-2017-11-16-at-07-29-28\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-39470\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-39470\" src=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.29.28-550x387.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" height=\"387\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.29.28-550x387.png 550w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.29.28-427x300.png 427w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.29.28-768x540.png 768w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.29.28-569x400.png 569w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-07.29.28.png 848w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As will be noted, the Treasury say UK government debt was \u00a31,610 billion in 2015\/16 and the NAO suggest it was \u00a31,261 billion.<\/p>\n<p>It is now some years since I suggested that UK government debt data was mis-stated because of the impact of QE, which is the data that reconciles the above two positions. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2012\/07\/13\/the-untold-truth-about-quantitative-easing-is-it-simply-cancels-debt-and-that-means-national-debt-is-now-just-45-1-of-gdp\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">I said in 2012<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The reality is ... that in any proper accounting system that produced a single set of accounts for the government that debt that was repurchased [by the Bank of England under the QE programme] would be considered to be cancelled. That\u2019s because you can\u2019t meaningfully owe yourself money, and yet that is precisely what is happening here. The Treasury owes the Bank of England money but as it in effect owns the Bank of England it therefore owes itself the money and as such the debt has simply been cancelled.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>What the National Audit Office is now doing is recognising the truth of what I said back then. Or as I put it at that time ( and I have edited slightly):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>QE hides an economic reality, which is that when\u00a0all the mumbo jumbo is cleared away what is happening is that money is being printed under the QE programme to clear the government\u2019s deficit and that much of the claimed increase in debt is not really being issued at all.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That is precisely what the NAO is now recognising. The UK is not nearly as much in debt as HM Treasury claims precisely because it cannot owe itself money.<\/p>\n<p>That has ramifications. First, it means the whole debt paranoia is wrong. Debt is not rising at the level claimed by the government. This is apparent from this comparison:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2017\/11\/16\/its-time-the-treasury-listened-to-the-national-audit-office-when-it-comes-to-government-debt\/screen-shot-2017-11-16-at-09-48-37\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-39473\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-39473\" src=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.37-550x395.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" height=\"395\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.37-550x395.png 550w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.37-417x300.png 417w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.37-768x552.png 768w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.37-557x400.png 557w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.37.png 1344w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is even more apparent when expressed as a percentage of GDP:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2017\/11\/16\/its-time-the-treasury-listened-to-the-national-audit-office-when-it-comes-to-government-debt\/screen-shot-2017-11-16-at-09-48-48\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-39474\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-39474\" src=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.48-550x436.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"550\" height=\"436\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.48-550x436.png 550w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.48-379x300.png 379w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.48-768x609.png 768w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.48-505x400.png 505w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/11\/Screen-Shot-2017-11-16-at-09.48.48.png 1388w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 550px) 100vw, 550px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Debt has grown, but by nothing like the amounts the government claims.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, this then means that the\u00a0 focus can then move instead towards how to use debt more creatively to solve the issues that we as a country face. As organisations as diverse as the IMF, OECD, CBI and left wing think tanks all say, now is the time for infrastructure investment, especially when (as is the case at present) money is available to the government at negative interest rates.<\/p>\n<p>We do not have a debt crisis.<\/p>\n<p>We do not need austerity.<\/p>\n<p>We do need social housing, new green infrastructure in every constituency of the UK, better local transport, investment in small and medium sized business that banks are not delivering and and end to PFI. All this is possible. And we are in no way constrained by debt from delivering any of these things.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The National Audit Office published a review of UK debt last week. It was an incredibly important document, and I managed to miss it at<br \/><a class=\"moretag\" href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2017\/11\/16\/its-time-the-treasury-listened-to-the-national-audit-office-when-it-comes-to-government-debt\/\"><em> Read the full article&#8230;<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[35],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-39468","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-economics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39468","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=39468"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/39468\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=39468"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=39468"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=39468"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}