{"id":23247,"date":"2013-12-02T08:11:54","date_gmt":"2013-12-02T08:11:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/?p=23247"},"modified":"2013-12-02T08:11:54","modified_gmt":"2013-12-02T08:11:54","slug":"thames-water-need-to-deliver-a-lot-more-clarity-in-their-tax-accounting","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2013\/12\/02\/thames-water-need-to-deliver-a-lot-more-clarity-in-their-tax-accounting\/","title":{"rendered":"Thames Water need to deliver a lot more clarity in their tax accounting"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I was quoted in a Daily Mail story over the weekend on Thames Water.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-2515889\/Thames-Water-pay-tax-DECADE-despite-soaring-profits-London-super-sewer-helps-avoid-bills.html\" target=\"_blank\">As the Mail noted<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thames Water sparked fury yesterday when it announced it will not pay corporation tax for up to a decade.<\/p>\n<p>Britain\u2019s biggest water supplier has already been berated for racking up more than \u00a31billion in unpaid taxes.<\/p>\n<p>But as it reported soaring profits after the summer heatwave, finance director Stuart Siddall said: \u2018It will be seven to ten years until we pay tax.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Labour\u2019s Margaret Hodge, chairman of the Commons Public Accounts Committee, called it \u2018deeply unfair\u2019, saying Thames Water \u2014 which is owned by an Australian consortium \u2014 had an \u2018obligation to pay their fair share in tax\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Tax accountant Richard Murphy, who helped expose tax avoidance by Starbucks, said: \u2018The reality is that much of this will never be paid.<\/p>\n<p>\u2018They are never going to stop spending money on infrastructure, which means they will probably never pay tax. Companies like this have to say when and if they will ever pay tax.\u2019<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div>Let me explain the concern. First, let's make clear that Thames Water is not doing anything illegal - but tax avoidance is not illegal, so that does not mean that tax avoidance is not taking place.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Second, let's also make clear that\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.independent.co.uk\/news\/uk\/home-news\/sold-down-the-river-how-thames-water-diverts-its-tax-liability-via-the-caribbean-despite-549m-profit-and-67-price-hike-8652305.html\" target=\"_blank\">there have been suggestions made that Thames is engaged in tax avoidance, some of it offshore<\/a>\u00a0through\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.stock-trkr.co.uk\/thames-water-utilities-cayman-fin-325-gtd-unwrap-bds-91116-eur\" target=\"_blank\">the Cayman Islands<\/a>, and even though it is claimed by the company that this does not impact the UK tax bill \u00a0there are reasons for this choice of arrangement.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>But then let me make the point I referred to when being interviewed for this piece. The real problem with companies like Thames Water is that we have no idea when they will pay tax. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thameswater.co.uk\/tw\/common\/downloads\/aboutus-financial\/twul-interim-report-and-statement-of-accounts-30-sept-2013.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">The company itself says in its interim statement<\/a>:<\/div>\n<div><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Screen-shot-2013-12-02-at-07.58.11.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-23248\" alt=\"Screen shot 2013-12-02 at 07.58.11\" src=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Screen-shot-2013-12-02-at-07.58.11.png\" width=\"528\" height=\"283\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Screen-shot-2013-12-02-at-07.58.11.png 660w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Screen-shot-2013-12-02-at-07.58.11-300x160.png 300w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Screen-shot-2013-12-02-at-07.58.11-559x300.png 559w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/12\/Screen-shot-2013-12-02-at-07.58.11-200x107.png 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 528px) 100vw, 528px\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<div>The annual accounts are, if anything, even less helpful on the use of the deferred tax liabilities: no clue as to timing is given there, and this was my point. In my opinion a company should be obliged to state when any deferred tax will become due and payable, if at all. Of course such forecasts are bound to be illustrative only, but if company valuation is - as most analysts like to claim - based on the discounted value of future cash flows due by the company then such disclosure is vital to all users of the accounts. Right now it is simply not available.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>There is another dimension to this; even in a regulated business as Thames Water is to claim that payment of tax benefits the customers of a company is disingenuous. I am aware that water charging is not standard but this pushes the boundaries of credibility beyond any \u00a0known limit. Thames would be wise to stop making such absurd claims.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>A little more clarity and a little more honesty in terms of tax incidence in their tax accounting would go a long way.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was quoted in a Daily Mail story over the weekend on Thames Water.\u00a0As the Mail noted: Thames Water sparked fury yesterday when it announced<br \/><a class=\"moretag\" href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2013\/12\/02\/thames-water-need-to-deliver-a-lot-more-clarity-in-their-tax-accounting\/\"><em> Read the full article&#8230;<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[26,10,1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-23247","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-accounting","category-tax-avoidance","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23247","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=23247"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/23247\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=23247"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=23247"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=23247"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}