{"id":16706,"date":"2012-08-03T12:10:30","date_gmt":"2012-08-03T11:10:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/?p=16706"},"modified":"2012-08-03T12:10:30","modified_gmt":"2012-08-03T11:10:30","slug":"tax-avoidance-is-about-seeking-to-defeat-the-will-of-parliament-not-paying-cash-into-an-isa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2012\/08\/03\/tax-avoidance-is-about-seeking-to-defeat-the-will-of-parliament-not-paying-cash-into-an-isa\/","title":{"rendered":"Tax avoidance is about seeking to defeat the will of parliament &#8211; not paying cash into an ISA"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I had a Twitter debate yesterday with two people on tax avoidance. One was Peter Watt, the former general\u00a0secretary of the Labour Party. The other was Mark Rowney, who describes himself on Twitter as \"Former Lawyer at Clifford Chance. Now resigned to make the world a better place. Vice Chair of @BatterseaLabour\". He worked on international finance, including tax structuring,\u00a0at\u00a0Clifford Chance.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/labour-uncut.co.uk\/2012\/08\/02\/labour-needs-to-stop-moralising-about-tax\/#more-14007\" target=\"_blank\">Watt argued <\/a>that tax avoidance embraces such things as paying\u00a0money into an ISA or pension. Rowney went further. <a href=\"http:\/\/labourlist.org\/2012\/06\/on-tax-avoidance-and-morality\/\" target=\"_blank\">His argument was as follows<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Imagine you\u2019re broke (not hard I\u2019m sure). You\u2019ve got a small amount of cash and you have to choose between food and clothes. You choose food. Guess what, you\u2019ve engaged in tax avoidance! Sure you were thinking that you can carry on wearing your knackered jeans but can\u2019t go for much longer without food. However at the same time you\u2019ve structured your spending activities in such a way as to reduce the amount of VAT you pay. You weren\u2019t consciously thinking of it but that is the effective result. Budgeting can have the unintended consequence of tax avoidance. I use this example to make the point that the act itself of tax avoidance (the\u00a0<em>actus reus<\/em>\u00a0to use legal parlance) is not immoral in itself.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I differed with them on Twitter, saying both arguments are simply wrong. My argument is that tax avoidance is seeking to get round the law.\u00a0\u00a0In my view \u00a0tax avoidance is not and cannot be about doing things that are very clearly legally permitted, and even encouraged by parliament. So paying money into a pension or an ISA is not tax avoidance. Parliament specifically grants tax relief for both of them and you can\u2019t be avoiding tax if you do what parliament intends. But Rowney and Watt disagreed. Indeed, Rowney tweeted in response to such a suggestion:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/Screen-shot-2012-08-03-at-09.10.09.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-16717\" title=\"Screen shot 2012-08-03 at 09.10.09\" src=\"http:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/Screen-shot-2012-08-03-at-09.10.09.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"446\" height=\"88\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/Screen-shot-2012-08-03-at-09.10.09.png 446w, https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/Screen-shot-2012-08-03-at-09.10.09-300x59.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 446px) 100vw, 446px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Sadly, for a lawyer, he's way of mark. As Lord Nolan said <a href=\"http:\/\/www.taxbar.com\/documents\/willoughby_hl.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">in the House of Lords in 1997<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Tax avoidance .... is a course of action designed to conflict with or defeat the evident intention of Parliament.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I think that's pretty definitive. As a result, beyond a shadow of a doubt, paying into an ISA or a pension is\u00a0not\u00a0tax avoidance. Rowney and Watt and all who argue that way are just wrong.\u00a0Legally wrong, even.<\/p>\n<p>But what's interesting in that case is to\u00a0speculate on why people like Watt and Rowney - and their friends from the far right like Mark\u00a0Littlewood at the Institute of Economic Affairs - say such things. Well let's <a href=\"http:\/\/labour-uncut.co.uk\/2012\/08\/02\/labour-needs-to-stop-moralising-about-tax\/#more-14007\" target=\"_blank\">go back to Watt to get the answer to this one<\/a>. He said in his article (and remember, it's a former general secretary of the Labour Party saying this):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It is right that we clamp down on so called \u201ccontrived\u201d avoidance schemes and the planned general anti-abuse rule should be welcomed.<\/p>\n<p>But we also need to be honest that tax avoidance per-se is not wrong, morally or otherwise.\u00a0 And that the line between \u201cgood\u201d and \u201cbad\u201d avoidance is not always clear.\u00a0 We should state clearly that while government must collect taxes so that it can deliver the services and protections that we expect them to, we understand that tax is a necessary evil and that people have the right to try and legally minimise the amount that they pay.\u00a0 Furthermore, any government should have a duty to minimise the amount that people and companies have to pay in tax and to spend the tax that it does collect wisely.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That's astonishing stuff, and explanation for why every sane person must still have some reasonable worries about what a Labour\u00a0government might, or might not do. What he's saying - what a former senior Labour official is saying - is that tax is a 'necessary evil'. It clearly follows that he thinks that state services fall into the same category. After all, they're paid for with tax. That means he obviously health, education, law and order, defence, and the whole\u00a0infrastructure\u00a0of the\u00a0state that make life possible in this\u00a0country\u00a0is to be despised. And\u00a0wealth redistribution, and the correction of market failures, which are other major reasons for taxing, are also\u00a0evil. And that's obviously why he thinks people should have the right to get out of paying for them - knowing, as I'm sure he does, that the option in question is only\u00a0available to the rich, who'll subvert the social justice Labour should stand for but for which these two people clearly do not, at every\u00a0opportunity.<\/p>\n<p>Deep in a part of Labour is a hatred for much that is very good in this country - and for the people who provide the\u00a0essential services on which we all depend. And that same part believes - like the far right - that only the private sector and the greed that motivates it provides the answers to well being.<\/p>\n<p>No wonder people don't vote Labour. I would never vote for a candidate with such views - whatever the party label.<\/p>\n<p>Ed Miliband has a long way to go to prove his party can be trusted with people like this in his party.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I had a Twitter debate yesterday with two people on tax avoidance. One was Peter Watt, the former general\u00a0secretary of the Labour Party. The other<br \/><a class=\"moretag\" href=\"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/2012\/08\/03\/tax-avoidance-is-about-seeking-to-defeat-the-will-of-parliament-not-paying-cash-into-an-isa\/\"><em> Read the full article&#8230;<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[35,106,10],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-16706","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-economics","category-politics","category-tax-avoidance"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16706","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=16706"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/16706\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=16706"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=16706"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.taxresearch.org.uk\/Blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=16706"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}