Watch from 12.20 here.
'Car crash' is being kind to this interview.
The big ideas are, it seems, Brexit, and 'the winter NHS crisis'.
And that's it.
The former Tory No 10 policy unit head who said 'Whitehall has been mainly frozen for the last eighteen months' was right.
This is a government that is nowhere near governing, and nowhere near any big idea.
Apart from Brexit that is, and that's a bad idea. And I know that because Philip Hammond and David Davis are now saying so.