Pascal Saint-Amans, head of tax at the OECD spoke on the subject of country-by-country reporting to a French parliamentary enquiry recently. This is the Google translation but I would be surprised if it in any way seriously misrepresents him:
Regarding transparency, country by country, it is important that the working group combines people in charge of development and tax countries in the developing and developed countries.
How to improve the transparency of multinational companies? Again, the temptation is great - it's also a proposal that is made - to keep accounts for each country, to see what companies pay in each. For two or three years, at a conference with Mr. Lebegue, I even said publicly that I was inclined to favor this approach.
Nicole Bricq . - You have changed your mind?
Mr. Pascal Saint-Amans . - I became more skeptical after looking at things in detail.
I think when we approach the problem through the development and if we take into account the interests of developing countries, we realize that taxes collected must remain on the territory of each and not based in tax havens.
The solution to the country-by-country reporting , that is to say the statement by country, is it good? I do not think so, because it is very difficult to implement. And even if we did, it would not provide much interesting.
Indeed, in most cases, tax evasion, the tax savings are traded, for example, by the group with the Treasury Department in the best case, I'm not talking about corruption. Sometimes, at the Treasury Department, fiscal stimulus may even have been recommended by international organizations. It is no longer the case today. Therefore, this solution would add nothing to the tax of the company.
Consider the somewhat cartoonish, because I'm not sure it is so common that, extractive industries that locate all of their profits in tax havens. Again, the solution to the country-by-country reporting , reporting by country, will do nothing.
Better to develop the capacities of developing countries. On this point, we are very active and a working group is considering solutions.I did not mention, because you were more focused on transparency.
I attended the Council Forum on Tax Administration African, ATAF, which was held in Cape Town, South Africa, from 4 to 6 March.This Council is very skeptical about the solution of the country-by-country reporting . Instead, it wants to actually sit assistance taxes and end all tax incentives to empty the tax bases of these countries.
I am continually astonished by this view.
First, as Lord Browne has said, CBC data has to exist now, and if it doesn't it has to be cheap to create. Second, no one, as he says, has been harmed by transparency. Indeed, it's obvious markets are more effective with it.
Third, if markets need the data why should a tax director deny it?
But fourth, and in this context most important - the argument tat all CBC would show is who is shifting profits into tax havens but not stop it is, very politely, absurd. Without knowing who is doing it action can't be taken to address it, and candidly, developing countries lack that basic data right now. Of course they still need the capacity and resources to act on the data - but without data they can do nothing.
So why does the OECD want to deny developing countries the data they need to do their job in collecting the taxes owed to them?
I'll be seeing Pascal next week. I'll ask him.
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Ricahrd,
It loses a bit in Google translation (I’ll email you a few edits!). But what he seems to be saying is that the idea CBC reporting is all well and good, but will be a lot of effort for not much…
But it/he seems very confused. He starts by saying that taxes collected must remain in the (developing) country and not leave for tax havens. But surely the point is that the taxes are not being collected in the country?
He ends by saying that “instead” the African Council wants to “fix the taxes and put an end to all tax incentives which empty the tax bases of these countries.” Of course – don’t we all? But how do they propose to do that in practice? Isn’t that exactly what CBC reporting is supposed to facilitate as a means to the end? As far as I can see, he’s just saying, CBC is too complicated – we just want to stop it (the loss of tax). Easy!!
I think Pascal is looking through his metaphorical blind eye
It is technically true that CbC information won’t in itself stop the full extent of abuse of tax havens; or at least, we can’t be certain of the proportion of abuse that would be stopped by the disinfectant of transparency.
We can however be certain that making this information public would lead to immediate, widespread public pressure for political changes to reduce the abuse.
And if Pascal’s solution is to focus only on building developing country tax authorities’ capacity, we can be certain that without CbC information this will not stop the abuse. Is that his intention?
I suggest you ask him to respond on this point…
Alex
I will
I happen to be meeting him twice next week
Best
Richard