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	<description>Richard Murphy on tax and corporate accountability</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JTM</title>
		<link>http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/01/04/jersey-riddled-with-corruption/#comment-362904</link>
		<dc:creator>JTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have talked about this before and the Police have had reports.  Your estimates of cases are again blown completely out of proportion.  In anycase I think the "onshore" case in France of a recent £3.7 Billion rogue trader makes our internal regulation look shiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have talked about this before and the Police have had reports.  Your estimates of cases are again blown completely out of proportion.  In anycase I think the &#8220;onshore&#8221; case in France of a recent £3.7 Billion rogue trader makes our internal regulation look shiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Research LLP</title>
		<link>http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/01/04/jersey-riddled-with-corruption/#comment-362899</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax Research LLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And despite that a large part of the 45,000 people who admitted evasion to HM Revenue &#038; Customs last year used Jersey to do so.

That was one country. Let's say 25,000 used Jersey. Let's say the UK supplies 10% of Jerssy's business. So that's 250,000 tax evaders in the place. And not one report of money laundering in 2006 to the Jersey police.

What are you? Gullible, stupid or just turning a blind eye?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And despite that a large part of the 45,000 people who admitted evasion to HM Revenue &#038; Customs last year used Jersey to do so.</p>
<p>That was one country. Let&#8217;s say 25,000 used Jersey. Let&#8217;s say the UK supplies 10% of Jerssy&#8217;s business. So that&#8217;s 250,000 tax evaders in the place. And not one report of money laundering in 2006 to the Jersey police.</p>
<p>What are you? Gullible, stupid or just turning a blind eye?</p>
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		<title>By: JTM</title>
		<link>http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/01/04/jersey-riddled-with-corruption/#comment-362844</link>
		<dc:creator>JTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of them.  I work within the industry and I have also worked in banking.  We question every client who we believe to be evading tax.  

Richard claims that "I lost the argument".  But there was never any "argument" because we do everything you claim we don't do.  So the accusations are fascicle.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of them.  I work within the industry and I have also worked in banking.  We question every client who we believe to be evading tax.  </p>
<p>Richard claims that &#8220;I lost the argument&#8221;.  But there was never any &#8220;argument&#8221; because we do everything you claim we don&#8217;t do.  So the accusations are fascicle.</p>
<p>End of.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
		<link>http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/01/04/jersey-riddled-with-corruption/#comment-347025</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JTM

I'd be curious to know which of the "allegations" made are "fascicle".  Do you deny that there's money in the Channel Islands that is the product of tax e evasion?  Or just that there's anyone there who knows about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JTM</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be curious to know which of the &#8220;allegations&#8221; made are &#8220;fascicle&#8221;.  Do you deny that there&#8217;s money in the Channel Islands that is the product of tax e evasion?  Or just that there&#8217;s anyone there who knows about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Research LLP</title>
		<link>http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/01/04/jersey-riddled-with-corruption/#comment-345051</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax Research LLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JTM is 'Jason the Maverick'.

He's lost this debate elsewhere and is trying again here.

His argument is ludicrous. It's akin to 'you can't understand that criminality is wrong unless you've been a criminal'. But actually, we do, because we can see the consequences.

And so far JTM has not answered one question put to him or provided any evidence at all to refute the claims made here or by others.

In which case it is reaonable to assume that he is at that stage of the debate where he thinks abusing the messenger works. He's wrong. The debate has progressed well beyond that stage. 

Which is why he has been ridiculed elsewhere too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JTM is &#8216;Jason the Maverick&#8217;.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s lost this debate elsewhere and is trying again here.</p>
<p>His argument is ludicrous. It&#8217;s akin to &#8216;you can&#8217;t understand that criminality is wrong unless you&#8217;ve been a criminal&#8217;. But actually, we do, because we can see the consequences.</p>
<p>And so far JTM has not answered one question put to him or provided any evidence at all to refute the claims made here or by others.</p>
<p>In which case it is reaonable to assume that he is at that stage of the debate where he thinks abusing the messenger works. He&#8217;s wrong. The debate has progressed well beyond that stage. </p>
<p>Which is why he has been ridiculed elsewhere too.</p>
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		<title>By: JTM</title>
		<link>http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/01/04/jersey-riddled-with-corruption/#comment-344942</link>
		<dc:creator>JTM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you have to work in the Jersey Finance Industry to get a better perspective of what is actually going on within, because many of these allegations are so way off the mark it is fascicle.

No critics on this forum show that they have that practical experience and can only prance around with guess work.

But this has been mentioned time and time again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have to work in the Jersey Finance Industry to get a better perspective of what is actually going on within, because many of these allegations are so way off the mark it is fascicle.</p>
<p>No critics on this forum show that they have that practical experience and can only prance around with guess work.</p>
<p>But this has been mentioned time and time again.</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Research LLP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tax Research LLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gareth

Thanks - I do try to provide evidence and am grateful that someone has noticed. It is baffling that the industry seems quite unable to read or comprehend it. 

And I agree with you that somewhere, some people in that industry are facilitating - and whether it’s through incompetance, negligence or deliberate intent is largely irrelevant, tax evasion. 

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gareth</p>
<p>Thanks - I do try to provide evidence and am grateful that someone has noticed. It is baffling that the industry seems quite unable to read or comprehend it. </p>
<p>And I agree with you that somewhere, some people in that industry are facilitating - and whether it’s through incompetance, negligence or deliberate intent is largely irrelevant, tax evasion. </p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Research LLP</title>
		<link>http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2008/01/04/jersey-riddled-with-corruption/#comment-344575</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax Research LLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean

1) All Jersey banks can report all people who are refusing information exchnage under the EU STD - there are reasonable grounds for presuming them all to be tax evading
2) The Jersey police can be given the resources they need
3) All FS firms who have never filed a suspiscious transaction report can be asked why not - and this is the majority. I have to say that in Jersey I would find it hard to believe that any cannot have come across someone tax evading
4) Those who handled the Abache money could be prosecuted
5) Jersey could opt for automatic information exchange under the EU STD

I could keep going

But my point is simple. I'm not saying the staff in Jersey Finance are corrupt. Jersey Finance is, in any event, simply a marketing exercise so I presume you are referring to the JFSC anyway. But I am saying there is a lack of will amongst those staff and the political leadership in Jersey to tackle this issue which means people are not reporting as they should.

All this could be changed.

To argue no more could be done is ludicrous. To have been unable to see this is an indication of lack of will - and an openness to see the world as it really is. That's Jersey's problem.

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean</p>
<p>1) All Jersey banks can report all people who are refusing information exchnage under the EU STD - there are reasonable grounds for presuming them all to be tax evading<br />
2) The Jersey police can be given the resources they need<br />
3) All FS firms who have never filed a suspiscious transaction report can be asked why not - and this is the majority. I have to say that in Jersey I would find it hard to believe that any cannot have come across someone tax evading<br />
4) Those who handled the Abache money could be prosecuted<br />
5) Jersey could opt for automatic information exchange under the EU STD</p>
<p>I could keep going</p>
<p>But my point is simple. I&#8217;m not saying the staff in Jersey Finance are corrupt. Jersey Finance is, in any event, simply a marketing exercise so I presume you are referring to the JFSC anyway. But I am saying there is a lack of will amongst those staff and the political leadership in Jersey to tackle this issue which means people are not reporting as they should.</p>
<p>All this could be changed.</p>
<p>To argue no more could be done is ludicrous. To have been unable to see this is an indication of lack of will - and an openness to see the world as it really is. That&#8217;s Jersey&#8217;s problem.</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all fairness, Dean, Richard's been remarkably straight forward about what he's saying - and has provided his evidence numerous times on this blog.  Given the fairly compelling evidence that there is at least some (where some may equal an awfully large number) money in Jersey accounts which is the product of tax evasion, that money will at some point have been handledd (although not necessarily literally) by someone in the accountancy and/or banking profession on the island.  At that point, if the funds are not reported as possibly being the proceeds of crime, you have to wonder whether it's because the people handling them are so poor at their jobs that they don't notice a suspicious transaction when they see one, or whether it's for some other reason.

Nobody's saying (or at least I don't think they are) that everybody in the Jersey finance industry is corrupt, or criminal.  But somewhere, some people in that industry are facilitating - and whether it's through incompetance, negligence or deliberate intent is largely irrelevant, tax evasion.  If they weren't, the recent Off-Shore Disclosure facility wouldn;n't have resulted in so many returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, Dean, Richard&#8217;s been remarkably straight forward about what he&#8217;s saying - and has provided his evidence numerous times on this blog.  Given the fairly compelling evidence that there is at least some (where some may equal an awfully large number) money in Jersey accounts which is the product of tax evasion, that money will at some point have been handledd (although not necessarily literally) by someone in the accountancy and/or banking profession on the island.  At that point, if the funds are not reported as possibly being the proceeds of crime, you have to wonder whether it&#8217;s because the people handling them are so poor at their jobs that they don&#8217;t notice a suspicious transaction when they see one, or whether it&#8217;s for some other reason.</p>
<p>Nobody&#8217;s saying (or at least I don&#8217;t think they are) that everybody in the Jersey finance industry is corrupt, or criminal.  But somewhere, some people in that industry are facilitating - and whether it&#8217;s through incompetance, negligence or deliberate intent is largely irrelevant, tax evasion.  If they weren&#8217;t, the recent Off-Shore Disclosure facility wouldn;n&#8217;t have resulted in so many returns.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not answering the question, what else can be done?  Are you actually saying that the staff in Jersey Finance are corrupt?

Do you actually have any evidence of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not answering the question, what else can be done?  Are you actually saying that the staff in Jersey Finance are corrupt?</p>
<p>Do you actually have any evidence of this?</p>
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