Comments on: There are lies, d***ed lies and some in the offshore financial services industry http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/ Richard Murphy on tax and corporate accountability Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:55:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Tax Research UK / The double-headed Hydra http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-425449 Tax Research UK / The double-headed Hydra Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:09:10 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-425449 [...] and we know many of those account were used for tax evasion (which they too must have known, in my opinion). Yet most of these organisations are global. They are the major accountants, lawyers and banks of [...] [...] and we know many of those account were used for tax evasion (which they too must have known, in my opinion). Yet most of these organisations are global. They are the major accountants, lawyers and banks of [...]

]]> By: Tax Research UK / What I’d like for Christmas: that Channel Island’s bankers understand their money laundering laws http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-326469 Tax Research UK / What I’d like for Christmas: that Channel Island’s bankers understand their money laundering laws Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:44:31 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-326469 [...] He (I presume the correspondent mail - these people do not, of course, reveal who they are) said of my suggestion that SARs must be raised when suspicion of evasion [...] [...] He (I presume the correspondent mail - these people do not, of course, reveal who they are) said of my suggestion that SARs must be raised when suspicion of evasion [...]

]]> By: Tax Research LLP http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323930 Tax Research LLP Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:19:48 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323930 JTM Now you show just how absurd your argument is An STR or SAR is in either case a report of a suspiscious activity They must be raised when suspiscion exists. Proof is emphatically not needed. So, I have proved my case. You have proved yourself ignorant of the requirements of your law I think we'll leave it at that Richard JTM

Now you show just how absurd your argument is

An STR or SAR is in either case a report of a suspiscious activity

They must be raised when suspiscion exists. Proof is emphatically not needed.

So, I have proved my case.

You have proved yourself ignorant of the requirements of your law

I think we’ll leave it at that

Richard

]]> By: JTM http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323900 JTM Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:48:04 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323900 But that is all what you have "suspicion". neither proven nor verified. Sorry Richard but this debate is going nowhere. And as far as I am concerned, you have already challenged the Powers that be in Jersey, and they have already dismissed your allegations as miles off the mark. But you consistently refuse to ignore people that are working in the industry as well who have told you both from Jersey and Guernsey that are accusations are wrong. Like the other thread this is now going nowhere. But that is all what you have “suspicion”. neither proven nor verified. Sorry Richard but this debate is going nowhere. And as far as I am concerned, you have already challenged the Powers that be in Jersey, and they have already dismissed your allegations as miles off the mark.

But you consistently refuse to ignore people that are working in the industry as well who have told you both from Jersey and Guernsey that are accusations are wrong. Like the other thread this is now going nowhere.

]]> By: Tax Research LLP http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323876 Tax Research LLP Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:36:29 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323876 JTM You know who report to. The JFSC says nothing about where the tax evasion takes place in its rule book It only says suspiscion of tax evasion need exist Your argument is wrong If I am wrong please refer me to the paragraph and I will advise the IMF Richard JTM

You know who report to.

The JFSC says nothing about where the tax evasion takes place in its rule book

It only says suspiscion of tax evasion need exist

Your argument is wrong

If I am wrong please refer me to the paragraph and I will advise the IMF

Richard

]]> By: JTM http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323848 JTM Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:01:04 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323848 Report to who? If they believe an STR may have a world wide connection then they cannot report on anything until it has gone through the courts. And when they do go through the courts they are reported. Are you saying we don't have any? Only had AG V Michel earlier in the year. Report to who? If they believe an STR may have a world wide connection then they cannot report on anything until it has gone through the courts. And when they do go through the courts they are reported. Are you saying we don’t have any? Only had AG V Michel earlier in the year.

]]> By: Tax Research LLP http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323752 Tax Research LLP Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:20:00 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323752 JTM My point is simple. Someone is not telling the truth. And there is no obligation of your government to tell me anything - it's a duty to report laid down in law. And - finally - going by the book is what all those who turn a blind eye say. Richard JTM

My point is simple. Someone is not telling the truth.

And there is no obligation of your government to tell me anything - it’s a duty to report laid down in law.

And - finally - going by the book is what all those who turn a blind eye say.

Richard

]]> By: JTM http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323571 JTM Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:48:05 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323571 Well you are being ridiculous now. I and others from Guernsey are not coming onto your blogger and making this up. I also do not see why either Government has to give you evidence that we are submitting STRs anyway. We know we are doing the work by the book and that is all what matters. Well you are being ridiculous now. I and others from Guernsey are not coming onto your blogger and making this up.

I also do not see why either Government has to give you evidence that we are submitting STRs anyway. We know we are doing the work by the book and that is all what matters.

]]> By: Tax Research LLP http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323547 Tax Research LLP Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:23:37 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-323547 JTM There is no proof of what you are saying Your own authorities do not confirm it As such I and the rest of the world are entitled to presume you are not telling the truth And of course your governments will ignore me - but they are dedicated to the provision of the facilities needed to pursue corrupt practices. Unsuprisingly they are not too keen on someone who wishes to close that corruption down. In view of your inability to provide any evidence to support your case, or a coherent argument, further comment on this issue from you will be ignored. Richard JTM

There is no proof of what you are saying

Your own authorities do not confirm it

As such I and the rest of the world are entitled to presume you are not telling the truth

And of course your governments will ignore me - but they are dedicated to the provision of the facilities needed to pursue corrupt practices. Unsuprisingly they are not too keen on someone who wishes to close that corruption down.

In view of your inability to provide any evidence to support your case, or a coherent argument, further comment on this issue from you will be ignored.

Richard

]]> By: JTM http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-322973 JTM Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:48:42 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/12/09/there-are-lies-ded-lies-and-some-in-the-offshore-financial-services-industry/#comment-322973 Richard, you do not work in either Channel Island so I just cannot see how you think you are so qualified to comment on our day to day practices. STRs are submitted and that is a fact from our part so if you don‘t believe it, what does it matter to us anyway? I can see why the Jersey Government does not take your allegations seriously now because you refuse to even listen to the people that work within the industry, who, with the knowing expertise know a lot of what you have to say has no real substance, back-up or proof. Richard, you do not work in either Channel Island so I just cannot see how you think you are so qualified to comment on our day to day practices.

STRs are submitted and that is a fact from our part so if you don‘t believe it, what does it matter to us anyway?

I can see why the Jersey Government does not take your allegations seriously now because you refuse to even listen to the people that work within the industry, who, with the knowing expertise know a lot of what you have to say has no real substance, back-up or proof.

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