Comments on: Domicile - I admit it - I’m the so-called tax expert Gordon Brown can’t find http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/ Richard Murphy on tax and corporate accountability Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:46:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: A MARSHALL http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212230 A MARSHALL Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:06:13 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212230 I don't think the PM said or implied in the statement above that the the nurses and teachers from overseas would not be here if the domicile rule were scrapped. It's also warming to see that he admits there will be further deabte on the issue of tax avoidance in the 'next period.' I just hope that when they bring the 7 to 10 year test in they backdate it to when each non-dom arrived in the UK. Also, if they do take non-domdom I suggest they be made to prove that the overseas wealth is at least being taxed sensibly in whatever jurisdiction they keep it in. I don’t think the PM said or implied in the statement above that the the nurses and teachers from overseas would not be here if the domicile rule were scrapped. It’s also warming to see that he admits there will be further deabte on the issue of tax avoidance in the ‘next period.’

I just hope that when they bring the 7 to 10 year test in they backdate it to when each non-dom arrived in the UK. Also, if they do take non-domdom I suggest they be made to prove that the overseas wealth is at least being taxed sensibly in whatever jurisdiction they keep it in.

]]> By: nicki ross martin http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212204 nicki ross martin Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:41:17 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212204 HI Richard I hope that you will be using your powers under the FOI to get the latest numbers of non-dom claimants following the Offshore Disclosure move, and the fact that this year's tax return for the first time asks whether the return filer is claiming non-dom status may well help too. HI Richard
I hope that you will be using your powers under the FOI to get the latest numbers of non-dom claimants following the Offshore Disclosure move, and the fact that this year’s tax return for the first time asks whether the return filer is claiming non-dom status may well help too.

]]> By: Tax Research LLP http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212122 Tax Research LLP Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:41:12 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212122 Alix Such deals originated in Switzerland - and continue there. As Lord Gill put it - they are deals to be ubtaxed by agreement rather than be taxed by law. And how is that legal? I think that does invalidate his argument. Richard Alix

Such deals originated in Switzerland - and continue there.

As Lord Gill put it - they are deals to be ubtaxed by agreement rather than be taxed by law.

And how is that legal? I think that does invalidate his argument.

Richard

]]> By: Alix http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212084 Alix Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:18:05 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212084 I am watching the illegality argument between you and the other Richard on your parallel post with interest. The fact that it has so quickly become about interpretation suggests to me that, were this measure to be introduced, there would be a test case in the courts straightaway which would decide matters. But what about the suggestion made by Mike Warburton in implied defence of Osbourne's plan, that Australia, NZ etc already have a system for negotiating with non-doms for a lump sum settlement in return for keeping the remittance basis? If we are talking about, as he puts it himself, negotiations and not a flat levy, then surely that is just the same as any "reasonable sum" type negotiation one might have with the Revenue, and this invalidates his argument. Am I right? I am watching the illegality argument between you and the other Richard on your parallel post with interest. The fact that it has so quickly become about interpretation suggests to me that, were this measure to be introduced, there would be a test case in the courts straightaway which would decide matters.

But what about the suggestion made by Mike Warburton in implied defence of Osbourne’s plan, that Australia, NZ etc already have a system for negotiating with non-doms for a lump sum settlement in return for keeping the remittance basis? If we are talking about, as he puts it himself, negotiations and not a flat levy, then surely that is just the same as any “reasonable sum” type negotiation one might have with the Revenue, and this invalidates his argument. Am I right?

]]> By: Nick Mathiason http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212070 Nick Mathiason Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:55:28 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212070 Should be said there were other tax experts who told me there was a marked acceleration in non-dom numbers. They worked for well established tax practices. But Mr Murphy you were the person who got the ball rolling on this one. Should be said there were other tax experts who told me there was a marked acceleration in non-dom numbers. They worked for well established tax practices. But Mr Murphy you were the person who got the ball rolling on this one.

]]> By: Carol Wilcox http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212069 Carol Wilcox Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:54:42 +0000 http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2007/10/11/domicile-i-admit-it-im-the-so-called-tax-expert-gordon-brown-cant-find/#comment-212069 The word is spreading. If only we could elect the Treasury advisors. You'd be top of my list. I've got invitations to see Andy Burnham and Kitty Ussher at the Treasury. I'd like to take you along, but guess that the Treasury wonks would spot some danger and refuse. So perhaps I'll just mention your name.... I nearly resigned from the party yesterday but have been persuaded to stay and support John McDonnell's LRC. Carol The word is spreading.

If only we could elect the Treasury advisors. You’d be top of my list.

I’ve got invitations to see Andy Burnham and Kitty Ussher at the Treasury. I’d like to take you along, but guess that the Treasury wonks would spot some danger and refuse. So perhaps I’ll just mention your name….

I nearly resigned from the party yesterday but have been persuaded to stay and support John McDonnell’s LRC.

Carol

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